WelshDevilRob Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5519/pacmargtot.jpg 13th November 2010 at Cowboys Stadium, Arlington, Texas, United States. The Vacant WBC light middleweight title at steak. P4P Superstar vs the outcast. Does size matter? Who wins and how? Please give your opinions and vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheelchair Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 Pacman by an easy KO, he's just too fast for Margarito to handle. Plus, Antonio shipped a lot of punishment from Mosley, that's bound to have an effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapevine241 Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 pac pac pac and more pac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAZZ-MCFC Posted October 5, 2010 Share Posted October 5, 2010 i voted Pac by KO the main factor like Ariza and Roach said is the conditioning, Pac has to be 100% spot on size wise or i think he struggles word coming out of Camp Pacquaio at the moment, Pac's conditioning isn't too good read an article earlier today, Roach saying that if the fight was today, Pac would lose, so he obviously isn't conditioned right for the extra weight he's put on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted October 5, 2010 Author Share Posted October 5, 2010 I'm going Manny points but can see an upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Tony stoppage after 10 rounds. Manny to start on fire before Margoa engine gets going as he grounds down the pacman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAZZ-MCFC Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 really can't see Margarito troubling Pac he only won a UD against Garcia when he should of stopped him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted October 6, 2010 Author Share Posted October 6, 2010 really can't see Margarito troubling Pac he only won a UD against Garcia when he should of stopped him You could put that down to ring rust or no loaded gloves. He's a big fella and if he is the pressure fighter of old then Manny is gonna have problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Garcia was a genuine lmw, manny isn't.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted October 6, 2010 Author Share Posted October 6, 2010 Garcia was a genuine lmw, manny isn't.. Right size is one thing but was Garcia World Class? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAZZ-MCFC Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Garcia was a genuine lmw, manny isn't.. Scott, i've wrote Manny off not once, not twice, but 3 times with that very reason i won't be adding to it with a 4th he fought Oscar, i said nope too big he fought Hatton, i said nope too big and again he fought Cotto and i thought, surely not this time, too big and too good wrong, wrong and wrong i won't ever be writing Manny off for that reason again, not even if he fights a Klitschko mlol/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Garcia seemed to be considered a fringe top 10 type...so not world class but a solid type. I had money on Manny against Oscar (who looked ill on the way to ring), against Hatton (which payed off my ppv coat) and against Cotto who Clottey had ran close (I did however go Manny on points). I couldn't understand why they didn't chase the Foreman fight....but the rumour was that Foreman was too big...Margos bigger, busier and harder working... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapevine241 Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Garcia was a genuine lmw, manny isn't.. Scott, i've wrote Manny off not once, not twice, but 3 times with that very reason i won't be adding to it with a 4th he fought Oscar, i said nope too big he fought Hatton, i said nope too big and again he fought Cotto and i thought, surely not this time, too big and too good wrong, wrong and wrong i won't ever be writing Manny off for that reason again, not even if he fights a Klitschko mlol/ did basically the same thing... im not making the mistake again either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheelchair Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 read an article earlier today, Roach saying that if the fight was today, Pac would lose, so he obviously isn't conditioned right for the extra weight he's put on A tactic to help get people interested in the fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooklynbrawler Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 This is one fight, where I think too many people are underestimating Margarito. He's big, he throws over a hundred punches per round, and prior to Mosley was recognised for having a granite chin. His reputation may be tarnished, but I don;t think his ability is in question, and had the fight taken place 2 years ago, noone would have given Manny a cat in hell's chance. The problem being now, that Toni has had to contend with handwrap accusations that go beyond the Mosley fight, and was knocked out in the one fight it was picked up on. He obviously can't load his chin, but I still put that down to an off night. It is VERY difficult to look beyond a Pacquiao win, but I'll buck the trend and go for a draw! :P I think both guys will have their moments, and quite possibly both of them will have their opportunities to win inside the distance. I think it will end up closer to call than anyone is envisaging though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAZZ-MCFC Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Garcia was a genuine lmw, manny isn't.. Scott, i've wrote Manny off not once, not twice, but 3 times with that very reason i won't be adding to it with a 4th he fought Oscar, i said nope too big he fought Hatton, i said nope too big and again he fought Cotto and i thought, surely not this time, too big and too good wrong, wrong and wrong i won't ever be writing Manny off for that reason again, not even if he fights a Klitschko mlol/ did basically the same thing... im not making the mistake again either. albeit 2 of the 3 were catchweights mlol/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 The interesting thing is that apart from height, Pac measures much the same as Margarito, which assuming he's not been illicitly enhanced, suggests Pac was just slow growing into his true size as a welter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 6 inch reach difference too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAZZ-MCFC Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 6 inch reach difference too... don't mention the 6 inches to Rob mlol/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheelchair Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 6 inch reach difference too... don't mention the 6 inches to Rob mlol/ Ooh-er! I din't know he took an interest in the difference between the inch measurements of guys! mlol/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAZZ-MCFC Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 6 inch reach difference too... don't mention the 6 inches to Rob mlol/ Ooh-er! I din't know he took an interest in the difference between the inch measurements of guys! mlol/ haha he mentioned something about 6 inches being a lot in chat last night so i said to him is that what your misses says Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Oh yeah, hadn't spotted the reach. Maybe a light welter then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skav Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 This is one fight, where I think too many people are underestimating Margarito. He's big, he throws over a hundred punches per round, and prior to Mosley was recognised for having a granite chin. His reputation may be tarnished, but I don;t think his ability is in question, and had the fight taken place 2 years ago, noone would have given Manny a cat in hell's chance. The problem being now, that Toni has had to contend with handwrap accusations that go beyond the Mosley fight, and was knocked out in the one fight it was picked up on. He obviously can't load his chin, but I still put that down to an off night. It is VERY difficult to look beyond a Pacquiao win, but I'll buck the trend and go for a draw! :P I think both guys will have their moments, and quite possibly both of them will have their opportunities to win inside the distance. I think it will end up closer to call than anyone is envisaging though. I'll go with this mostly except for the draw. I see a Manny win but, like Rob, wouldn't put an upset out of the question. Okay so Margarito is slow and Pac is fast, so what? Speed kills only when you have the strength to back it up and I can't see Manny knocking down Margarito let alone knock him down and out. Only way Pac gets the KO is by overwhelming him with a volume of punches. And he will have to fight on the backfoot, something he never has looked good doing, since Margarito will just keep coming forward because of his strong will. Margarito's not the opponent I'd have put Manny in with if I was to save him for a potential Floyd bout, that's for sure, because he's getting badly bruised up either way, especially if somebody like a covering up Clottey could do that! Margarito, a 160lb Middleweight, won't be blocking, he'll be punching non stop. Manny on points but it's no formality and I expect him to be battle damaged after this one and Floyd will demand the fight take place at 154. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donlevy Posted October 6, 2010 Share Posted October 6, 2010 Pacquiao via a very clear,but competitive decision.Margarito is alot taller,but he's not the type of fighter who uses his height and reach as an advantage.Margarito fights out of a crouch and throws short hooks and uppercuts when inside.He is physically imposing,and naturally bigger than Pacquiao is - and as a pressure fighter,that counts for alot.Mosley showed the best way to eat Margarito is by slowing him down,using alot of body punching and holding to keep the fight at a measured pace - but Pacquiao's never been much of either - preferring a fight at a fast pace,little clinching,and many punches thrown. I think the deciding factor will be Pacquiao's footwork.Pacquiao's conditioning allows him to throw alot,and use alot of angles without ever tiring.I see him giving Margarito alot of angles to deal with and doing alot more of the scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted October 24, 2010 Author Share Posted October 24, 2010 Enjoyed the 1st episode of 24/7. Good to see them state that Margarito was found guilty of trying to load his wraps hence the reason he was suspended for a year. Not changed my opinion. Manny wins this one but its a dangerous fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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