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Evander Holyfield was he the real deal


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One of my favourite boxers to watch over the years has been Evander Holyfield in a rollercoaster career,he fought the best around in some great battles and gave his all.

Just thought id post some of his stats.

1984-Olympic lightheavyweight bronze medal

1986-Won WBA Cruiseweight title after 12 pro fights.

1988-Became undisputed cruiserweight champion

1990-KO Buster Douglas in round 3 to become undisputed heavyweight champion

1992-Lost his titles to Riddick Bowe

1993-Regained WBA-IBF tltles by beating Riddick Bowe

1994-Lost titles to Micheal Moorer

1996- Beat Tyson for WBA title

1997-Beat Tyson by dq in ear biting episode

1999-Lost title to Lennox LEWIS

2000-Won vacant WBA title against John Ruiz

2001-Lost title to Ruiz

I thought he was the REAL DEAL

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He certainly was the 'Real Deal'. He tore through the Cruiserweight division and did it with relatively few fights. Going 15 hard rounds with a season champion in Qawi in only his 12th fight, was an indicator of what Holyfield had to offer; heart and a never say die attitude.

 

I loved his fights with Tillman and Parkey and he really looked like the man who would challenge Tysons Heavyweight supremacy. He just seemed to have that style and toughness to live with the peak Tyson. Obviously, Tyson wasn't there when Holyfield got to challenge for the title and unfortunately and out of shape Buster Douglas was champ.

 

Over the years Holy gave us great fights with the bigger Riddick Bowe, technical fights with Michael Moorer and the infamous clashes with Mike Tyson.

 

Holyfields attitude drove him to the top but maybe that attitude keeps fighting well past his prime.

 

Great fighter.

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I dont think anyone will doubt Holyfield's courage, will to win and heart, usually fighting opponents with better physical tools than him.

From his epic 15 rounder war with Qawi, were he lost 15lb of fluids and had to be hospitalised, to developing himself into a heavyweight and becomming Tysons no.1 (and ducked IMO) challenger to the Hvy title; beating Buster Douglas and becomming Heavyweight champion. Taking oon the more experienced Holmes and heavy handed George Foreman, rematching Bowe another 2 times, having vetricle problems in his loss to Moorer but avenging it brutally, being picked as a soft touch for the comebacking Tyson- and out-bullying Tyson to shatter his myth of invincability; the Lewis fights, Ruiz 3 times, taking on the slick James Toney and Valuev in Europe..was a fighter ever more aptly named?

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I dont think anyone will doubt Holyfield's courage, will to win and heart, usually fighting opponents with better physical tools than him.

From his epic 15 rounder war with Qawi, were he lost 15lb of fluids and had to be hospitalised, to developing himself into a heavyweight and becomming Tysons no.1 (and ducked IMO) challenger to the Hvy title; beating Buster Douglas and becomming Heavyweight champion. Taking oon the more experienced Holmes and heavy handed George Foreman, rematching Bowe another 2 times, having vetricle problems in his loss to Moorer but avenging it brutally, being picked as a soft touch for the comebacking Tyson- and out-bullying Tyson to shatter his myth of invincability; the Lewis fights, Ruiz 3 times, taking on the slick James Toney and Valuev in Europe..was a fighter ever more aptly named?

 

------ Funny, but Mike Spinks fairly easily handled a much better trained prime Qawi than the bloated version that UnHoly fought.

 

How could Tyson duck the ol' git when they were never in the same divisions until 88 when Tyson was still busy unifying the division in a fashion that has never been seen before or since? Was the most storied plan by the best, most HOF packed boxing team in history supposed to be tossed when UnHoly suddenly decided to start taking vitamins?

 

Nobody has ever doubted the ring courage of UnHoly, but his intelligence and physical development are questionable. If he thought he could beat Tyson he should have got on his vitamins from the gitgo instead of hiding out in the weakest division in boxing.

 

As it is, he should be on his knees in prayer to Tyson, because without the legacy of Tyson, the ol' git's career is pretty patchy.

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Reg Gutteridge once said that Tyson-Holyfield sparred as amateurs at a event (Jnr Olympics?) and it was so violent they stopped it. Interesting stuff. The other story (also at the same event/camp) was when Holyfield was playing Pool with a pal and Tyson tried to grab the pool cue from Evander mid game. Evander resisted and when Tyson realised Holy was having none of it-Tyson laughed and made a joke of it. Holy then carried on with his game but maybe Tyson realised something then? Only relaying what i have read and heard-i personally say the Tyson 1986-88 variant whups any variant of Evander as a heavyweight.
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How could Tyson duck the ol' git when they were never in the same divisions until 88 when Tyson was still busy unifying the division in a fashion that has never been seen before or since?.

 

Yeah right, Tyson pulled out of a couple of much hyped Tyson-Holyfield fights before selecting Buster Douglas as an easier opponent and then repeatedly delaying a Tyson-Holyfield fight when he came down with horrible ailments like a sore chest.. thats why the Tyson-Ruddock fights occurred, King preferred putting Tyson in against a fighter who he had ooptions on than go after Holyfield when he won the title from Buster given team Holyfield (the Duva's) wouldn't get him an option on Holyfield (why would ya). Then Desiree Washington happened and the bout never took place. Tyson wasnt too popular in the boxing media at the time, he was teamed up with Don King who wasnt interested in risking his commodity against Holyfield, King even tried getting Holyfield dislodged as the manditory in one body before the Douglas fight. Buster had his maditory enforced on him- the rest is history. When in boxing a fighter is said to be 'ducking another'- it doesnt mean he's personally scared or frightened, usually it means someone in his managment or promotional fight wants the bout avoided for risk/earnings reasons.

 

 

As it is, he should be on his knees in prayer to Tyson, because without the legacy of Tyson, the ol' git's career is pretty patchy.

Christ- there were many top level fighters that Holyfield didnt face, Tyson's resume got plenty of glaring ommissions. Look at all the fighters that Tyson didnt face that Holyfield did, Tyson was being held in DK'd kid gloves from '90 onwards.

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Definitely a top 10 Heavyweight in my book, notable wins include the following:

 

Dwight Muhammad Qawi (x2)

Ricky Parkey

Ossie Ocasio

Carlos De Leon

Pinklon Thomas

Michael Dokes

Adilson Rodrigues

Alex Stewart (x2)

James 'Buster' Douglas

George Foreman

Bert Cooper

Larry Holmes

Riddick Bowe

Ray Mercer

Mike Tyson (x2)

Michael Moorer

John Ruiz

Hasim Rahman

Fres Oquendo

 

And he definitely beat Valuev, which should have made him a 5 time Heavyweight World Champion.

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Imagine if the first Lennox lewis fight had been awarded to Holyfield ( only one point in it despite the scandalas scorecards ).

If Evander had retired undisputed champ....his record would have stood with Ali and Lious easily.

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Imagine if the first Lennox lewis fight had been awarded to Holyfield ( only one point in it despite the scandalas scorecards ).

If Evander had retired undisputed champ....his record would have stood with Ali and Lious easily

 

Not as good as those two. Ali in particular fought when the heavyweight division was at it's peak talent wise.

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yes he was the real deal all the way a true souljan & still is shame there arnt more like him i still enjoy holyfields fights now .tho it is a bit like meeting up with an old girlfriend you should not but u still go...
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Definitely a top 10 Heavyweight in my book, notable wins include the following:

 

Dwight Muhammad Qawi (x2)

Ricky Parkey

Ossie Ocasio

Carlos De Leon

Pinklon Thomas

Michael Dokes

Adilson Rodrigues

Alex Stewart (x2)

James 'Buster' Douglas

George Foreman

Bert Cooper

Larry Holmes

Riddick Bowe

Ray Mercer

Mike Tyson (x2)

Michael Moorer

John Ruiz

Hasim Rahman

Fres Oquendo

 

And he definitely beat Valuev, which should have made him a 5 time Heavyweight World Champion.

 

Hmmm a lot of those wins were either at Cruiser or against shot/old (Holmes/Foreman) or not very good heavy's (Rahman, Ruiz, Oquendo). a great warrior but not a top 10 and most certainly not a top 5

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How could he not be the real deal? The only reason I can think of is if you haven't watched enough of his fights. He wasn't great every time he went out there, but I can't name many heavyweights that have the same amount of slugfests on their resumé.
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Reg Gutteridge once said that Tyson-Holyfield sparred as amateurs at a event (Jnr Olympics?) and it was so violent they stopped it. Interesting stuff. The other story (also at the same event/camp) was when Holyfield was playing Pool with a pal and Tyson tried to grab the pool cue from Evander mid game. Evander resisted and when Tyson realised Holy was having none of it-Tyson laughed and made a joke of it. Holy then carried on with his game but maybe Tyson realised something then? Only relaying what i have read and heard-i personally say the Tyson 1986-88 variant whups any variant of Evander as a heavyweight.

 

 

Would have been great to see them sparring all those years ago.

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