Angelo Dundee predicts upset victories for Ortiz and Marquez

[Skav]

Angelo Dundee, the former trainer of Muhammad Ali and Sugar Ray Leonard amongst others, has chosen Juan Manuel Marquez and Victor Ortiz to pull off shock victories in their respective bouts against the world’s two premier fighters Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr.

 

Dundee, who turned 90 yesterday, chatted to Lem Satterfield of RingTV.com yesterday and also explained his view on a potential clash between Mayweather and Pacquiao themselves if the two welterweights can agree on a future meeting.

 

"Tough fight,” pondered Dundee.

 

“ But if I had a fighter to choose to fight against Mayweather, it would be one who fights like Ortiz. Result? Tough split-decision but Ortiz may be the winner.

 

"Marquez will give Pacquiao a tough fight every day that they're alive. Another tough fight, like I said. Probably Pacquiao's toughest fight, because Marquez is a guy who knows how to fight him. Decision split – Marquez," he added.

 

Dundee then gave his view on a Mayweather v Pacquiao bout: "Mayweather wins. I just don't know why Mayweather's not fighting him," said Dundee. "He walks around saying that he's the best fighter in the world? Well, fight the sucker. I think that he beats Pacquiao."

 

The Bookmakers don’t seem to agree with the hall of famer trainer and have Pacquiao at 1/10 and Mayweather at 1/8 to come out on top in their 147lb title bouts.

 

http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2011/08/angelo-dundee-chooses-marquez-and-ortiz.html

 

He's probably off with his "split decision" victories. Ain't no way HBO are giving Ortiz a points victory and potentially scuppering the Mayweather vs Pacquiao fight. And to be honest, I think it's the same for Marquez. Both are going to have to go for the KO.He's probably off with his "split decision" victories. Ain't no way HBO are giving Ortiz a points victory and potentially scuppering the Mayweather vs Pacquiao fight. And to be honest, I think it's the same for Marquez. Both are going to have to go for the KO.

[littleman370]

HBO doesn't have anything to do with judges/refs and the like.

 

besides, if mayweather loses to ortiz, ortiz is the new top dawg for manny to fight, it'd still be huge

[grapevine241]

like littleman said, HBO has nothing to do with that stuff.

 

i dont give ortiz much of a chance against mayweather. still unsure of pacquiao and marquez.

[Skav]

Littleman, not as huge as Mayweather vs Pacquiao. Actually, nowhere near, I'll vouch. Mayweather does better on ppv than Manny, anyway, and I'm sure Mayweather's fight with Ortiz will outnumber Manny vs Marquez. As for the HBO comment, I may have worded my last post a little wrong or didn't go into my reasons enough. To most, they may just be a "tv channel", but HBO are going to want Mayweather to win because of the money they'll make with a potential vs Manny fight and most of the men in suits will be against Ortiz. I even suspect Goldenboy secretly would still prefer Mayweather vs Pacquiao over a Ortiz vs Manny fight because it makes more $$$.

[littleman370]

Littleman, not as huge as Mayweather vs Pacquiao. Actually, nowhere near, I'll vouch. Mayweather does better on ppv than Manny, anyway, and I'm sure Mayweather's fight with Ortiz will outnumber Manny vs Marquez. As for the HBO comment, I may have worded my last post a little wrong or didn't go into my reasons enough. To most, they may just be a "tv channel", but HBO are going to want Mayweather to win because of the money they'll make with a potential vs Manny fight and most of the men in suits will be against Ortiz. I even suspect Goldenboy secretly would still prefer Mayweather vs Pacquiao over a Ortiz vs Manny fight because it makes more $$$.

 

well of course it won't be THAT big! but the money HBO makes, as i understand it, doesn't really come from the PPVs so much as owning the rights to the show and being able to sell them. by that i mean (well i think i mean) that folks like SKY or the russian channel that seems to carry everything, would have to pay more for it. HBO wins via exposure and looking awesome.

 

HBO may want manny/floyd to fight but unless there are some serious, serious backroom dealings then they have no part in who the judges are or the refs. GBP of course could swing that as they saw fit, but remember, if ortiz wins he's the new top dawg and is only 23-24 years old. ortiz will be around for 5-10 years to make them money anyways and mayweathers one last huge fight is pacquiao.

 

i'm inclined to think, based on little more than educated guessing, that GBP is willing to let ortiz/floyd play out fairly and roll with whoever wins. ortiz can earn them tons down the line if he keeps winning after beating floyd, and floyd can earn them a ton by fighting pacquaio (but good luck convincing yourself that, let alone fighting pac, floyd fights on after fighting pac)

[duwdu]

Littleman, not as huge as Mayweather vs Pacquiao. Actually, nowhere near, I'll vouch. Mayweather does better on ppv than Manny, anyway, and I'm sure Mayweather's fight with Ortiz will outnumber Manny vs Marquez. As for the HBO comment, I may have worded my last post a little wrong or didn't go into my reasons enough. To most, they may just be a "tv channel", but HBO are going to want Mayweather to win because of the money they'll make with a potential vs Manny fight and most of the men in suits will be against Ortiz. I even suspect Goldenboy secretly would still prefer Mayweather vs Pacquiao over a Ortiz vs Manny fight because it makes more $$$.

 

well of course it won't be THAT big! but the money HBO makes, as i understand it, doesn't really come from the PPVs so much as owning the rights to the show and being able to sell them. by that i mean (well i think i mean) that folks like SKY or the russian channel that seems to carry everything, would have to pay more for it. HBO wins via exposure and looking awesome.

 

HBO may want manny/floyd to fight but unless there are some serious, serious backroom dealings then they have no part in who the judges are or the refs. GBP of course could swing that as they saw fit, but remember, if ortiz wins he's the new top dawg and is only 23-24 years old. ortiz will be around for 5-10 years to make them money anyways and mayweathers one last huge fight is pacquiao.

 

i'm inclined to think, based on little more than educated guessing, that GBP is willing to let ortiz/floyd play out fairly and roll with whoever wins. ortiz can earn them tons down the line if he keeps winning after beating floyd, and floyd can earn them a ton by fighting pacquaio (but good luck convincing yourself that, let alone fighting pac, floyd fights on after fighting pac)

+1...or Co-sign...or Couldn't have articulated my own thoughts any better littleman.

 

Thanks for the original link though skav.

 

As for Angelo's predictions, they sort of go against all I think I know, and indeed against smart money, but... what do I know? Not being an escapist though as anything is possible in boxing. Bottom line: I still favor Mayweather over Ortiz/Pacquiao; and Pacquiao over Marquez/Ortiz.

 

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[Skav]

Littleman, not as huge as Mayweather vs Pacquiao. Actually, nowhere near, I'll vouch. Mayweather does better on ppv than Manny, anyway, and I'm sure Mayweather's fight with Ortiz will outnumber Manny vs Marquez. As for the HBO comment, I may have worded my last post a little wrong or didn't go into my reasons enough. To most, they may just be a "tv channel", but HBO are going to want Mayweather to win because of the money they'll make with a potential vs Manny fight and most of the men in suits will be against Ortiz. I even suspect Goldenboy secretly would still prefer Mayweather vs Pacquiao over a Ortiz vs Manny fight because it makes more $$$.

 

well of course it won't be THAT big! but the money HBO makes, as i understand it, doesn't really come from the PPVs so much as owning the rights to the show and being able to sell them. by that i mean (well i think i mean) that folks like SKY or the russian channel that seems to carry everything, would have to pay more for it. HBO wins via exposure and looking awesome.

 

HBO may want manny/floyd to fight but unless there are some serious, serious backroom dealings then they have no part in who the judges are or the refs. GBP of course could swing that as they saw fit, but remember, if ortiz wins he's the new top dawg and is only 23-24 years old. ortiz will be around for 5-10 years to make them money anyways and mayweathers one last huge fight is pacquiao.

 

i'm inclined to think, based on little more than educated guessing, that GBP is willing to let ortiz/floyd play out fairly and roll with whoever wins. ortiz can earn them tons down the line if he keeps winning after beating floyd, and floyd can earn them a ton by fighting pacquaio (but good luck convincing yourself that, let alone fighting pac, floyd fights on after fighting pac)

 

What does the highlighted part mean? I didn't understand it. If GBP had any clue they will know that Ortiz won't last long as a champion. He's too one dimensional and does the same thing over and over and cannot adjust. I wouldn't rule out their thickness considering they almost destroyed Ortiz by putting him in with Maidana.

[littleman370]

What does the highlighted part mean? I didn't understand it. If GBP had any clue they will know that Ortiz won't last long as a champion. He's too one dimensional and does the same thing over and over and cannot adjust. I wouldn't rule out their thickness considering they almost destroyed Ortiz by putting him in with Maidana.

 

that's a good point too. i may be overestimating ortiz a bit in my hopes that he wins haha. but i do think the glory that comes with beating floyd might just be a torch passer and he should make big bucks for a long time

 

what i was suggesting is that if floyd fights pacquiao after ortiz, which isn't a guarantee, he's definitely not fighting after that. his legacy will be sealed and he will have untold riches to gamble away. it's enough of a big deal just to get him to fight, let alone fight when he won't have anyone else really worthy.

 

so, the overall point being, ortiz can make money for (perhaps!) years to come where as floyd probably has the one big fight left. at the end of the day, i'm not sure which one will earn GBP more money

[McBride]

I think old Angie, is just letting the world know he is still alive and kicking.

[Skav]

What does the highlighted part mean? I didn't understand it. If GBP had any clue they will know that Ortiz won't last long as a champion. He's too one dimensional and does the same thing over and over and cannot adjust. I wouldn't rule out their thickness considering they almost destroyed Ortiz by putting him in with Maidana.

 

that's a good point too. i may be overestimating ortiz a bit in my hopes that he wins haha. but i do think the glory that comes with beating floyd might just be a torch passer and he should make big bucks for a long time

 

what i was suggesting is that if floyd fights pacquiao after ortiz, which isn't a guarantee, he's definitely not fighting after that. his legacy will be sealed and he will have untold riches to gamble away. it's enough of a big deal just to get him to fight, let alone fight when he won't have anyone else really worthy.

 

so, the overall point being, ortiz can make money for (perhaps!) years to come where as floyd probably has the one big fight left. at the end of the day, i'm not sure which one will earn GBP more money

 

I know this is predictable from me but if Floyd retired aftert Ortiz then I'll be underwhelmed with his career. If he fought a Bradley that would be better.

[grapevine241]

just to clarify... HBO does not directly make money off of boxing. they buy fights so subscribers will keep subscribing.

[littleman370]

just to clarify... HBO does not directly make money off of boxing. they buy fights so subscribers will keep subscribing.

 

they own the international rights to all the fights though, so they make some back. they sell the video to sky, that russian channel, etc.

 

and skav, he has done a lot with his career but the inactivity of the last few years does leave a sour taste in ones mouth. i don't have any interest in floyd/bradley though. that would be DULLLLLLL.

[grapevine241]

just to clarify... HBO does not directly make money off of boxing. they buy fights so subscribers will keep subscribing.

 

they own the international rights to all the fights though, so they make some back. they sell the video to sky, that russian channel, etc.

 

and skav, he has done a lot with his career but the inactivity of the last few years does leave a sour taste in ones mouth. i don't have any interest in floyd/bradley though. that would be DULLLLLLL.

 

yea but that number is miniscule, the point is they don't turn a direct profit off of a fight

[davemurphy]

I think old Angie, is just letting the world know he is still alive and kicking.

 

Let's not forget that Angie turned 90 earlier this week, and he's also been pretty lousy when it's come to predicting fights that don't involve guys he's handling. Last prediction I remember from Dundee was an easy victory for De La Hoya, and we saw how that turned out grin//

[littleman370]

I think old Angie, is just letting the world know he is still alive and kicking.

 

Let's not forget that Angie turned 90 earlier this week, and he's also been pretty lousy when it's come to predicting fights that don't involve guys he's handling. Last prediction I remember from Dundee was an easy victory for De La Hoya, and we saw how that turned out grin//

 

he liked margarito over pacquiao if i recall correctly

[Skav]

just to clarify... HBO does not directly make money off of boxing. they buy fights so subscribers will keep subscribing.

 

they own the international rights to all the fights though, so they make some back. they sell the video to sky, that russian channel, etc.

 

and skav, he has done a lot with his career but the inactivity of the last few years does leave a sour taste in ones mouth. i don't have any interest in floyd/bradley though. that would be DULLLLLLL.

 

We're talking about Floyd Mayweather here. MOST of his fights are dull unless you like watching technical boxers. Me? He's like watching paint dry. Whether the Bradley fight would be dull just like his others, he's considered to be one of the main men at 140lb. But at least we're getting Khan vs Mayweather soon, and Khan is now considered to be the other main guy.

[littleman370]

just to clarify... HBO does not directly make money off of boxing. they buy fights so subscribers will keep subscribing.

 

they own the international rights to all the fights though, so they make some back. they sell the video to sky, that russian channel, etc.

 

and skav, he has done a lot with his career but the inactivity of the last few years does leave a sour taste in ones mouth. i don't have any interest in floyd/bradley though. that would be DULLLLLLL.

 

We're talking about Floyd Mayweather here. MOST of his fights are dull unless you like watching technical boxers. Me? He's like watching paint dry. Whether the Bradley fight would be dull just like his others, he's considered to be one of the main men at 140lb. But at least we're getting Khan vs Mayweather soon, and Khan is now considered to be the other main guy.

 

i like watching technical fighters like mayweather when i'm in the mood (which is about as often as he bothers to fight). bradley isn't nearly aggressive enough to make much of anything happen in the fight, let alone test floyds skill. the latter point being what interests me most with these super technical boxers: can they, or floyd for example, be beaten by a lesser skilled fighter? more often than not the answer is no, but it can still be intriguing to watch

[annewerman]

it's really hard to predict right now especially these boxers are really good...

[annewerman]

It's really hard to predict the winner in fights wherein both fighters are really good and that may be a factor that judges are having those split decisions... they really need to work hard to maybe obviously show who scored higher.. but it's not enough to predict this early until the fight is already in action.. so let's just witness these boxers clash with one another.. I really can't wait to see these fights.. and guys, especially boxing fans like me, I just browsed the internet and I saw this site: https://www.gogvm.com/membership/buytickets.php so if you wanna see the boxing scene LIVE, check this out and you may be the winner of VIP tickets.. so sign up now!!

[Wheelchair]

Senility creepy in IMO. Still at his advanced age, we shouldn't be surprised.

[McBride]

Hmmmm, interesting to read that a technically gifted fighter is considered to be DULL. There is no accounting for taste, considering the art of boxing is to hit, and not get hit. I suspect Mayweather is far too good at the game for some of the ( fans ) that watch him, and it is beyond their capability to understand what he does.

 

Never mind, there is always unlicenced boxing with lumps of shit battering each other, or MMA for those kind to watch.

[littleman370]

Hmmmm, interesting to read that a technically gifted fighter is considered to be DULL. There is no accounting for taste, considering the art of boxing is to hit, and not get hit. I suspect Mayweather is far too good at the game for some of the ( fans ) that watch him, and it is beyond their capability to understand what he does.

 

Never mind, there is always unlicenced boxing with lumps of shit battering each other, or MMA for those kind to watch.

 

you like one-sided non-competitive fights? i don't care if it's manny or floyd, those fights are boring. floyd needs someone who can test his skills, or it's just him showing off.

floyd would outclass bradley easily. bradley isn't near aggressive enough so floyd would barely have to work. how does that not add up to a stinker to you? the whole fight would be bradley moving around trying to find an angle to hit floyd and getting countered every time he lets his hands go. it's impressive, but not entertaining

 

you know, you don't have to be such an arrogant prick all the time. just because people have different tastes in fights doesn't make them some kind of dunce

[Skav]

Hmmmm, interesting to read that a technically gifted fighter is considered to be DULL. There is no accounting for taste, considering the art of boxing is to hit, and not get hit. I suspect Mayweather is far too good at the game for some of the ( fans ) that watch him, and it is beyond their capability to understand what he does.

 

Never mind, there is always unlicenced boxing with lumps of shit battering each other, or MMA for those kind to watch.

 

I laugh every time a fan of Floyd winges on about the "art" of the sport. mlol/

 

I'm a blood and guts fan. I've already stated this in the past.

 

I find him dull...beyond dull. I'll throw in "predictable" in there, too. SUE ME!

[gavpowell]

Predictable? 40 different boxers haven't been able to work him out and you have? Have you considered offering your services at the Wild Card?;)

[iamasadlittleboy]

Hmmmm, interesting to read that a technically gifted fighter is considered to be DULL. There is no accounting for taste, considering the art of boxing is to hit, and not get hit. I suspect Mayweather is far too good at the game for some of the ( fans ) that watch him, and it is beyond their capability to understand what he does.

 

Never mind, there is always unlicenced boxing with lumps of shit battering each other, or MMA for those kind to watch.

 

Offense in any sport is exciting. Think about it, when Chelsea and City were grinding out 1-0's they were playing excellent technical football, but it was defensive whilst United and Arsenal were winning some and losing some but playing offensive football that was fun to watch. It was the huge complaint against City last year and they took it on board and...probably play the most fun to watch football in the EPL so far this season.

 

Take it to cricket, people love to watch guys like Chris Gayle, Shaid Afridi and BB McCullum because they are offensive minded players as opposed to Rahul Dravid and Michael Atherton.

 

It's not the technical aspect fans don't like, it's the defence first style that fans don't like. And Floyd doesn't help himself in the fact that when he looks offensive minded (Mosley, Gatti, Corrales) he's immensley fun to watch when he fights defensively against over matched or under-sized opponents it can be boring.