The Klits speak about Haye...no Wlad rematch

[Skav]

Bernd Boente, the manager of the Klitschko borthers, is standing firm. He categorically ruled out the possibility of a rematch between WBA/IBO/IBF/WBO world heavyweight champion Wladimir Klitschko (56-3, 49 KOs), and British boxer David Haye (25-2, 23 KOs).

 

Since the July decision loss to Wladimir, Haye has remained silent on the future of his career. Prior to facing Wladimir, the British boxer vowed to retire from the sport in October, but after the loss he was pursuing a rematch with Wladimir.

 

After the fight was over, Boente and Wladimir ruled out the possibility of a rematch, and now several weeks later they continue to do so. If Haye makes a decision to continue his career, Boente once again states that Vitali Klitschko is ready and willing to fight. Vitali defends his WBC title against Tomasz Adamek on September 10 in Poland.

 

"Why should we give him a rematch? If Haye has the thirst to fight a Klitschko, let him face Vitali," Boente said.

 

http://www.boxingscene.com/team-klitschko-firm-no-rematch-haye-vitali-possible--43037

[Joe Ko]

Really hope Haye fights Vitali, I think that was always the better fight.

[davemurphy]

Haye needs to give me some reason to want to see it, how about actually earning a shot instead of just talking your way into a second one? How about doing something to convince me your not just going to show up and look to simply survive like last time? How about simply just retiring and quit teasing us with the threat?

[gavpowell]

Haye needs to give me some reason to want to see it, how about actually earning a shot instead of just talking your way into a second one?

 

Third or fourth, not second - he pulled out of the first one during training and switched to Valuev just as he was due to sign contracts the second time.

[WelshDevilRob]

Haye needs to do something to earn a rematch. The only viable route is to try and beat Vitali.

[gavpowell]

A fight he also doesn't deserve.

[iamasadlittleboy]

Fight the Helenius/Lyakovich winner, than the Chagaev/Povetkin winner...then he might have earned it...

[markD]

Vitali will fight him.

 

Haye doesn't want any.

 

Maybe after the Vitali - Adamek fight he will change his mind.

 

I doubt it.

[McBride]

If he didn't even attempt to fight Vladimir, what on earth makes anyone think he will grow some, and try to fight the bigger Klitchko?

 

I think he proved in the last debacle, that survival is his primary objective.

[davemurphy]

Haye needs to do something to earn a rematch. The only viable route is to try and beat Vitali.

 

Yeah, Rob, but what's the do to EARN a Vitali shot??? I know Haye is pointing to the great numbers generated by the PPV, but that was a result of his ability to "talk a good game" and the old saying goes, "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice and shame on me".

[irondave85]

Neither brother needs Haye. The Klitschkos draw by themselves, not by who they fight. Let's not forget, the Haye bout actually drew LESS fans than Wlad's fight with Eddie Chambers and Vitali has proven he can draw a huge crowd even by fighting a nonentity like Albert Sosnowski. Let's face it, after his dismal showing against Wlad, it's debatable how much Haye's name is worth now. Haye vs. either Helenius or Povetkin? Sure he can win either bout, but who's licking their lips at the prospect of those fights?

[themanknownas]

Haye doesnt deserve a rematch in my opinion, the way he ran his mouth pre fight was disgusting, then he got outclassed and got shown by the more skilled boxer just what he is a over weight crusierweight.

[brooklynbrawler]

Neither brother needs Haye. The Klitschkos draw by themselves, not by who they fight. Let's not forget, the Haye bout actually drew LESS fans than Wlad's fight with Eddie Chambers and Vitali has proven he can draw a huge crowd even by fighting a nonentity like Albert Sosnowski. Let's face it, after his dismal showing against Wlad, it's debatable how much Haye's name is worth now. Haye vs. either Helenius or Povetkin? Sure he can win either bout, but who's licking their lips at the prospect of those fights?

 

Ticket prices were 8 times higher for the Haye fight, so it almost goes without saying that the crowd will be lower.

They were banking on British fans paying through the nose, and many of us did.

 

 

The stadium wasn't completely full, but it was just about there.

Given the weather and the ticket prices, they still pulled in a pretty substantial crowd, many thousands of them travelling fans.

 

I'm not speaking either for or against Haye on that fact, but in terms of finances, this fight made Wlad about as much as his last 5 or 6 fights put together.

 

As a boxing fan, I don't care about numbers or paydays, and just want to see the best fights being made.

A few months ago I would have said Vitali vs Haye was definitely up there, but unfortunately, Haye has done next to nothing at heavyweight when it counted, and a tactical fight simply doesn't suit his style.

It's dull, uninteresting, and he isn't accurate enough or elusive enough to pull it off.

It's simply not his forte and he should have just gone for it, particularly in the last couple of rounds when literally everyone in the stadium (evidently apart from him) knew he had thrown it away and lost the fight already.

He simply didn't step up to the second gear we all know he has, even once.

 

(In a "Dragon's Den" style voice) "For that reason I'm out!" mlol/

 

Noone wants to see that again, and few people will be convinced that he'll do anything else.

[RAZZ-MCFC]

Had word today that Haye will officially announce his retirement within the next 2 weeks.

[iamasadlittleboy]

Haye needs to do something to earn a rematch. The only viable route is to try and beat Vitali.

 

Yeah, Rob, but what's the do to EARN a Vitali shot??? I know Haye is pointing to the great numbers generated by the PPV, but that was a result of his ability to "talk a good game" and the old saying goes, "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice and shame on me".

 

Did the Valuev and Harrison fights not fool you enough to know he had no chance against a seriously live fight like Wlad?...

[davemurphy]

Haye needs to do something to earn a rematch. The only viable route is to try and beat Vitali.

 

Yeah, Rob, but what's the do to EARN a Vitali shot??? I know Haye is pointing to the great numbers generated by the PPV, but that was a result of his ability to "talk a good game" and the old saying goes, "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice and shame on me".

 

Did the Valuev and Harrison fights not fool you enough to know he had no chance against a seriously live fight like Wlad?...

 

LOL, Scott. Your right, the Audley fight certainly earned him more than a single Klitschko fight, I think David is getting shortchanged here grin//

[irondave85]

Neither brother needs Haye. The Klitschkos draw by themselves, not by who they fight. Let's not forget, the Haye bout actually drew LESS fans than Wlad's fight with Eddie Chambers and Vitali has proven he can draw a huge crowd even by fighting a nonentity like Albert Sosnowski. Let's face it, after his dismal showing against Wlad, it's debatable how much Haye's name is worth now. Haye vs. either Helenius or Povetkin? Sure he can win either bout, but who's licking their lips at the prospect of those fights?

 

Ticket prices were 8 times higher for the Haye fight, so it almost goes without saying that the crowd will be lower.

They were banking on British fans paying through the nose, and many of us did.

 

 

The stadium wasn't completely full, but it was just about there.

Given the weather and the ticket prices, they still pulled in a pretty substantial crowd, many thousands of them travelling fans.

 

I'm not speaking either for or against Haye on that fact, but in terms of finances, this fight made Wlad about as much as his last 5 or 6 fights put together.

 

As a boxing fan, I don't care about numbers or paydays, and just want to see the best fights being made.

A few months ago I would have said Vitali vs Haye was definitely up there, but unfortunately, Haye has done next to nothing at heavyweight when it counted, and a tactical fight simply doesn't suit his style.

It's dull, uninteresting, and he isn't accurate enough or elusive enough to pull it off.

It's simply not his forte and he should have just gone for it, particularly in the last couple of rounds when literally everyone in the stadium (evidently apart from him) knew he had thrown it away and lost the fight already.

He simply didn't step up to the second gear we all know he has, even once.

 

(In a "Dragon's Den" style voice) "For that reason I'm out!" mlol/

 

Noone wants to see that again, and few people will be convinced that he'll do anything else.

 

Just to be clear, I'm not trying to say that the event wasn't a huge money spinner. It evidently was. However, most of that was down to the worldwide TV rights (and I guarantee you, most of them won't be calling back if there is a rematch).

 

From what I've read, the fight drew just over 35,000 fans. The stadium holds 50,000 apparently, so that's nowhere near full and 16,000 less than the Chambers fight. I take on board what you're saying about ticket prices and weather conditions, but - considering the hype and effectively two year's worth of promotion - that figure can only be seen as a disappointment.

[RAZZ-MCFC]

Neither brother needs Haye. The Klitschkos draw by themselves, not by who they fight. Let's not forget, the Haye bout actually drew LESS fans than Wlad's fight with Eddie Chambers and Vitali has proven he can draw a huge crowd even by fighting a nonentity like Albert Sosnowski. Let's face it, after his dismal showing against Wlad, it's debatable how much Haye's name is worth now. Haye vs. either Helenius or Povetkin? Sure he can win either bout, but who's licking their lips at the prospect of those fights?

 

Ticket prices were 8 times higher for the Haye fight, so it almost goes without saying that the crowd will be lower.

They were banking on British fans paying through the nose, and many of us did.

 

 

The stadium wasn't completely full, but it was just about there.

Given the weather and the ticket prices, they still pulled in a pretty substantial crowd, many thousands of them travelling fans.

 

I'm not speaking either for or against Haye on that fact, but in terms of finances, this fight made Wlad about as much as his last 5 or 6 fights put together.

 

As a boxing fan, I don't care about numbers or paydays, and just want to see the best fights being made.

A few months ago I would have said Vitali vs Haye was definitely up there, but unfortunately, Haye has done next to nothing at heavyweight when it counted, and a tactical fight simply doesn't suit his style.

It's dull, uninteresting, and he isn't accurate enough or elusive enough to pull it off.

It's simply not his forte and he should have just gone for it, particularly in the last couple of rounds when literally everyone in the stadium (evidently apart from him) knew he had thrown it away and lost the fight already.

He simply didn't step up to the second gear we all know he has, even once.

 

(In a "Dragon's Den" style voice) "For that reason I'm out!" mlol/

 

Noone wants to see that again, and few people will be convinced that he'll do anything else.

 

Just to be clear, I'm not trying to say that the event wasn't a huge money spinner. It evidently was. However, most of that was down to the worldwide TV rights (and I guarantee you, most of them won't be calling back if there is a rematch).

 

From what I've read, the fight drew just over 35,000 fans. The stadium holds 50,000 apparently, so that's nowhere near full and 16,000 less than the Chambers fight. I take on board what you're saying about ticket prices and weather conditions, but - considering the hype and two year's worth of promotion - that figure can only be seen as a disappointment.

 

You had to be there to truly understand. I can imagine a lot of people who had tickets sacked it off because of the weather. I'm not joking it was like a monsoon, it absolutely leathered it down from 4pm until the fight, non stop. Add to that there was some crazy Germany festival on that closed all the main streets in Hamburg and there was only one way to get to the stadium and that was on the tram and then shuttle bus.

 

I think there were around 15,000 empty seats as an estimate. The weather definitely played a big part though.

[brooklynbrawler]

Neither brother needs Haye. The Klitschkos draw by themselves, not by who they fight. Let's not forget, the Haye bout actually drew LESS fans than Wlad's fight with Eddie Chambers and Vitali has proven he can draw a huge crowd even by fighting a nonentity like Albert Sosnowski. Let's face it, after his dismal showing against Wlad, it's debatable how much Haye's name is worth now. Haye vs. either Helenius or Povetkin? Sure he can win either bout, but who's licking their lips at the prospect of those fights?

 

Ticket prices were 8 times higher for the Haye fight, so it almost goes without saying that the crowd will be lower.

They were banking on British fans paying through the nose, and many of us did.

 

 

The stadium wasn't completely full, but it was just about there.

Given the weather and the ticket prices, they still pulled in a pretty substantial crowd, many thousands of them travelling fans.

 

I'm not speaking either for or against Haye on that fact, but in terms of finances, this fight made Wlad about as much as his last 5 or 6 fights put together.

 

As a boxing fan, I don't care about numbers or paydays, and just want to see the best fights being made.

A few months ago I would have said Vitali vs Haye was definitely up there, but unfortunately, Haye has done next to nothing at heavyweight when it counted, and a tactical fight simply doesn't suit his style.

It's dull, uninteresting, and he isn't accurate enough or elusive enough to pull it off.

It's simply not his forte and he should have just gone for it, particularly in the last couple of rounds when literally everyone in the stadium (evidently apart from him) knew he had thrown it away and lost the fight already.

He simply didn't step up to the second gear we all know he has, even once.

 

(In a "Dragon's Den" style voice) "For that reason I'm out!" mlol/

 

Noone wants to see that again, and few people will be convinced that he'll do anything else.

 

Just to be clear, I'm not trying to say that the event wasn't a huge money spinner. It evidently was. However, most of that was down to the worldwide TV rights (and I guarantee you, most of them won't be calling back if there is a rematch).

 

From what I've read, the fight drew just over 35,000 fans. The stadium holds 50,000 apparently, so that's nowhere near full and 16,000 less than the Chambers fight. I take on board what you're saying about ticket prices and weather conditions, but - considering the hype and two year's worth of promotion - that figure can only be seen as a disappointment.

 

You had to be there to truly understand. I can imagine a lot of people who had tickets sacked it off because of the weather. I'm not joking it was like a monsoon, it absolutely leathered it down from 4pm until the fight, non stop. Add to that there was some crazy Germany festival on that closed all the main streets in Hamburg and there was only one way to get to the stadium and that was on the tram and then shuttle bus.

 

I think there were around 15,000 empty seats as an estimate. The weather definitely played a big part though.

 

 

Haha, it was far worse when everyone left the stadium at the same time...

I ended up managing to shoehorn myself onto a passing bus, and then found out that it was going OUT of town! mlol/

Jumped off, and spent about 4 hours trying to flag a taxi, standing in a Hayemaker T-Shirt....don't think I've been so soaked in all my life, I'd have genuinely been dryer jumping into a swimming pool.

It was crazy weather!

[RAZZ-MCFC]

Neither brother needs Haye. The Klitschkos draw by themselves, not by who they fight. Let's not forget, the Haye bout actually drew LESS fans than Wlad's fight with Eddie Chambers and Vitali has proven he can draw a huge crowd even by fighting a nonentity like Albert Sosnowski. Let's face it, after his dismal showing against Wlad, it's debatable how much Haye's name is worth now. Haye vs. either Helenius or Povetkin? Sure he can win either bout, but who's licking their lips at the prospect of those fights?

 

Ticket prices were 8 times higher for the Haye fight, so it almost goes without saying that the crowd will be lower.

They were banking on British fans paying through the nose, and many of us did.

 

 

The stadium wasn't completely full, but it was just about there.

Given the weather and the ticket prices, they still pulled in a pretty substantial crowd, many thousands of them travelling fans.

 

I'm not speaking either for or against Haye on that fact, but in terms of finances, this fight made Wlad about as much as his last 5 or 6 fights put together.

 

As a boxing fan, I don't care about numbers or paydays, and just want to see the best fights being made.

A few months ago I would have said Vitali vs Haye was definitely up there, but unfortunately, Haye has done next to nothing at heavyweight when it counted, and a tactical fight simply doesn't suit his style.

It's dull, uninteresting, and he isn't accurate enough or elusive enough to pull it off.

It's simply not his forte and he should have just gone for it, particularly in the last couple of rounds when literally everyone in the stadium (evidently apart from him) knew he had thrown it away and lost the fight already.

He simply didn't step up to the second gear we all know he has, even once.

 

(In a "Dragon's Den" style voice) "For that reason I'm out!" mlol/

 

Noone wants to see that again, and few people will be convinced that he'll do anything else.

 

Just to be clear, I'm not trying to say that the event wasn't a huge money spinner. It evidently was. However, most of that was down to the worldwide TV rights (and I guarantee you, most of them won't be calling back if there is a rematch).

 

From what I've read, the fight drew just over 35,000 fans. The stadium holds 50,000 apparently, so that's nowhere near full and 16,000 less than the Chambers fight. I take on board what you're saying about ticket prices and weather conditions, but - considering the hype and two year's worth of promotion - that figure can only be seen as a disappointment.

 

You had to be there to truly understand. I can imagine a lot of people who had tickets sacked it off because of the weather. I'm not joking it was like a monsoon, it absolutely leathered it down from 4pm until the fight, non stop. Add to that there was some crazy Germany festival on that closed all the main streets in Hamburg and there was only one way to get to the stadium and that was on the tram and then shuttle bus.

 

I think there were around 15,000 empty seats as an estimate. The weather definitely played a big part though.

 

 

Haha, it was far worse when everyone left the stadium at the same time...

I ended up managing to shoehorn myself onto a passing bus, and then found out that it was going OUT of town! mlol/

Jumped off, and spent about 4 hours trying to flag a taxi, standing in a Hayemaker T-Shirt....don't think I've been so soaked in all my life, I'd have genuinely been dryer jumping into a swimming pool.

It was crazy weather!

 

On our way to the reeperbahn we had to walk up that main road that was closed off as we couldnt get a taxi. We literally had to walk a mile through 30,000+ drunk Germans in our union jack suits, talk about squeaky bum time.

 

After the fight there was a massive queue for the shuttle buses, we jumped over the railings though and got straight on the bus which was quite cheeky. The next day a load of people we'd met up with told us they were queueing like an hour for them! So we did the right thing haha

[WelshDevilRob]

One thing that was mentioned in Boxing Monthly was that the stadium wasn't even full. I know the weather was crap but the tickets weren't sold.

 

You have to wonder why?, as even for the Chambers vs Wlad fight there were 10,000 more sold. Haye took 10,000 fans and I'm sure Chambers hasn't got that many fans.

 

So are the German fans slowly getting bored with Wlad fights or didn't they promote it enough their end. Haye may not have fought but he certainly promoted the fight.

[markD]

One thing that was mentioned in Boxing Monthly was that the stadium wasn't even full. I know the weather was crap but the tickets weren't sold.

 

You have to wonder why?, as even for the Chambers vs Wlad fight there were 10,000 more sold. Haye took 10,000 fans and I'm sure Chambers hasn't got that many fans.

 

So are the German fans slowly getting bored with Wlad fights or didn't they promote it enough their end. Haye may not have fought but he certainly promoted the fight.

 

Didn't know that. Very interesting.

 

Perhaps it was the weather, location, ticket prices, lack of promoting in Germany or it might be the time of the year too. People on holidays or spent their money on holidays. Who knows. Will have to see how many they draw to his next fight.

[RAZZ-MCFC]

Usually a large percentage of Wlad's ticket sales come from local German fans who want to see him fight when he comes to town. In this case though virtually every Hamburg local was already out on the streets for whatever that festival was though and definitely didn't go to the fight. Maybe if they had it on a different weekend to that crazy festival then tickets would have shifted.