fightfan Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/683998/klitschko_vs_adamek_poster_poland.jpg Adamek 34 years old, height 6'1 , Reach 75" Klitschko 40 years old, height 6'7, Reach 80" Home advantage - Adamek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ko Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Your banging out the threads fightfan are you the youtube guy? I dont think Adamek has a hope in hell. Vitali has aged and imo has always been the worse brother since his comeback. I still think he will have way to much for Adamek and win a clear decision. Adamek will get his plaudits for giving it his best shot but it wont be enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAZZ-MCFC Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Vitali by KO! If Michael Grant can have Adamek out on his feet then Vitali can murder him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Poor, poor Tomasz :( he gonna get slaughtered, just a shame he's a tough old bastard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Vitali should punch holes in the technically limited Adamek. Adamek will move but he is not the quickest. His defence is poor and power no threat. It's one of those where the Champion needs to grow old to lose or let the opponent survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 I voted points - Adamek will lose but he's bloody durable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skav Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 I guess I may be one of the few who is actually looking forward to this one and thinks that Adamek has a shot. Vitali's legs ain't what they used to be and I thought Arreola would murder him but that didn't happen. Adamek has speed and a good ring IQ. I see this as being Vitali's toughest challenge since the Lewis fight. I'll go out on a limb to say that! I'll go with Vitali on points. After this fight there is no other heavyweight bout to look forward to for a very long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 I guess I may be one of the few who is actually looking forward to this one and thinks that Adamek has a shot. Vitali's legs ain't what they used to be and I thought Arreola would murder him but that didn't happen. Adamek has speed and a good ring IQ. I see this as being Vitali's toughest challenge since the Lewis fight. I'll go out on a limb to say that! I'll go with Vitali on points. After this fight there is no other heavyweight bout to look forward to for a very long time. I like the fight interms of the division but after this there is basically no one left. It's taken a couple of guys from lower weights to make things seem interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Isn't Povetkin going for his "This-time-I-really-mean-it" shot soon? Not that I've ever had him down as a world beater but y'know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 ...Povetkin...give it 12 months and you'll have Helenius and maybe even my man Kubrat Pulev (maybe...maybe not...) the division does look interesting in the next tier with a number of emerging younger fighters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Like Billy C keeps saying "Take away the Klitschko's and you have some interesting fight" Damn you David Haye and your bad toe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 I don't really see that point of view = most of the heavyweights are wilfully uncompetitive, lazy, lacking in skill or all of the above. Watching Sam Peter v Chris Arreola or Eddie Chambers v Tony Thompson doesn't really appeal to me and I'd find it sad if they wre world championship bouts. The Klitschkos are good, but hardly all-time greats, so it;s not like being a heavy during the Ali-Foreman eras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonRingRules Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Vitali should punch holes in the technically limited Adamek. Adamek will move but he is not the quickest. His defence is poor and power no threat. It's one of those where the Champion needs to grow old to lose or let the opponent survive. ----- Champ is already older than the hills, and now talk of cancellation because of Ukrainian politics according to boxrec. Let's pray not since this is an historical bout in Poland and means a lot to the division. Listen up as I hate to remind you, Adamek has always been the more accomplished and better technical boxer than the limited Haye who has no legs or balance left to him apparently, only wild hayemakers to rely on when not leaning on refs and judges and the WBA for help. I see this as a tough, seminal bout folks will be talking of for some time since Adamek can really fight, not the poser in his undies playing at boxing as is Haye. He actually knows how to set up for blistering combinations and can fight an entire tough round instead of just a few seconds, a hard guy to prepare for. I'm picking Vitali of course, but the understated Adamek is very underrated by those blinded by the flashy bling and big talk of lessor fighters. This is the biggest Klitschko threat in some 7-8 years, but it's oh so many technical little things added up that make Adamek's chances quite decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAZZ-MCFC Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Vitali should punch holes in the technically limited Adamek. Adamek will move but he is not the quickest. His defence is poor and power no threat. It's one of those where the Champion needs to grow old to lose or let the opponent survive. ----- Champ is already older than the hills, and now talk of cancellation because of Ukrainian politics according to boxrec. Let's pray not since this is an historical bout in Poland and means a lot to the division. Listen up as I hate to remind you, Adamek has always been the more accomplished and better technical boxer than the limited Haye who has no legs or balance left to him apparently, only wild hayemakers to rely on when not leaning on refs and judges and the WBA for help. I see this as a tough, seminal bout folks will be talking of for some time since Adamek can really fight, not the poser in his undies playing at boxing as is Haye. He actually knows how to set up for blistering combinations and can fight an entire tough round instead of just a few seconds, a hard guy to prepare for. I'm picking Vitali of course, but the understated Adamek is very underrated by those blinded by the flashy bling and big talk of lessor fighters. This is the biggest Klitschko threat in some 7-8 years, but it's oh so many technical little things added up that make Adamek's chances quite decent. If Adamek was this good then he'd have despatched Michael Grant with ease. Instead he nearly got stopped and was out on his feet. Michael Grant is fringe at best. Doesn't say a lot for Adamek to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skav Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 I don't really see that point of view = most of the heavyweights are wilfully uncompetitive, lazy, lacking in skill or all of the above. Watching Sam Peter v Chris Arreola or Eddie Chambers v Tony Thompson doesn't really appeal to me and I'd find it sad if they wre world championship bouts. The Klitschkos are good, but hardly all-time greats, so it;s not like being a heavy during the Ali-Foreman eras. What makes you say that? The brothers have dominated the vision more or less since Lewis retired, both are undisputed and both are two time champs if you take the WBO belt seriously, which admittedly, I don't. Not sure about you but they fit the criteria of Great fighters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 I'm a big fan of both Klitschkos, I'm just not sure either are among ther all-time greats. Vitali has a relatively sparse record, while Wlad has a comprehensive record but looks eminently beatable by the right sort of fighter. I can imagine someone mobile and aggressive giving Wlad absolute nightmares - he really, really doesn't like it when he can't control the pace and his chin, although not terrible, is vulnerable. Someone like Tyson or Frazier bobbing and weaving could potentially get underneath the jab and land, someone with a similar height and reach could be very effective with their own jab or counters. Obviously this is entirely speculation on my part because most of the fighters we have are straight-lines guys and nobody has the combination of speed and mobility or mobility and power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonRingRules Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 If Adamek was this good then he'd have despatched Michael Grant with ease. Instead he nearly got stopped and was out on his feet. Michael Grant is fringe at best. Doesn't say a lot for Adamek to me. ----- Would be quite foolish to place a bet on any fight's outcome based on a single career fight that didn't go the way you think it should have. Grant is an immense experienced operator who has only been dispatched cleanly by two top heavies, Lewis and Guinn, but otherwise has accumulated a stellar overall record to match other top contenders of the era in spite of wasting his best years being beaten down by the manical Teddy Atlas in a training marriage made in hell. I said it before, and it obviously bears repeating, Adamek is the most accomplished heavy not named Klitschko and is more technically astute than the rest of them to boot. It doesn't say much for the logic or any ranking system you use when they all rate him quite higher than you talk of him considering he's been highly ranked the whole of his career in every division he competed in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Rather than being so vague, why not list some more detailed reasons why Adamek is such a good contender? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAZZ-MCFC Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 If Adamek was this good then he'd have despatched Michael Grant with ease. Instead he nearly got stopped and was out on his feet. Michael Grant is fringe at best. Doesn't say a lot for Adamek to me. ----- Would be quite foolish to place a bet on any fight's outcome based on a single career fight that didn't go the way you think it should have. Grant is an immense experienced operator who has only been dispatched cleanly by two top heavies, Lewis and Guinn, but otherwise has accumulated a stellar overall record to match other top contenders of the era in spite of wasting his best years being beaten down by the manical Teddy Atlas in a training marriage made in hell. I said it before, and it obviously bears repeating, Adamek is the most accomplished heavy not named Klitschko and is more technically astute than the rest of them to boot. It doesn't say much for the logic or any ranking system you use when they all rate him quite higher than you talk of him considering he's been highly ranked the whole of his career in every division he competed in. I didn't say he wasn't the most accomplished Vitali has fought? I didn't question the rankings either. Adamek is right to be where he is in the rankings which is usually 4th or 3rd depending on who's rankings they are. But to me that says more about the level of competition in the division which is crap, rather than it pointing to Adamek being very good. Haye to me still accomplished more at cruiser and heavy than Adamek did/has so he should still be 3rd, with Adamek 4th. Adamek most definitely is the best Vitali will have faced since Lennox. but i still don't think it'll be a competitive fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skav Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 I'm a big fan of both Klitschkos, I'm just not sure either are among ther all-time greats. Vitali has a relatively sparse record, while Wlad has a comprehensive record but looks eminently beatable by the right sort of fighter. I can imagine someone mobile and aggressive giving Wlad absolute nightmares - he really, really doesn't like it when he can't control the pace and his chin, although not terrible, is vulnerable. Someone like Tyson or Frazier bobbing and weaving could potentially get underneath the jab and land, someone with a similar height and reach could be very effective with their own jab or counters. Obviously this is entirely speculation on my part because most of the fighters we have are straight-lines guys and nobody has the combination of speed and mobility or mobility and power. I'm afraid I am going to have to use Marciano as an example, as many do. Didn't he look beatable by the right sort of fighter? And his opposition wasn't stellar. I can imagine Ali giving Marciano nightmares, but perhaps you do not rate Marciano as an ATG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 I don't rate Marciano as an all-time great, no, perhaps for similar reasons to the Klitschkos - he looked vulnerable but was lucky to dominate a weak era. I love his story and I love his style of fighting, but I can't help but think in another era he wouldn't be quite so dominant. It's difficult wen you have a weak division really, because obviously almost every fighter looks vulernable to certain styles, but ro a degree we've seen it - Sanders beat Wlad and had Vitali looking very uncomfortable for a round or two, Wlad gassed v Brewster and Puritty and was very uncomfortable against the mauling Peter first time out. Vitali of course has done very well since returning to the ring, but hasn't had to face amazing fighters - Solis was the first heavy with a boxing pedigree and that was over before it had begun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemurphy Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 I promised to write a review on this one, time is drawing closer and I better get on the ball :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapevine241 Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 i think vitali will force a stoppage, but i expect adamek to give a good account of himself against improbable odds. he wont be some disgraceful bum like david haye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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