fightfan Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Kimbo Slice will get a few easy wins and say have a 10-0 record then i think he'll be lined up to fight a Klitschko ? Anyone else agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleman370 Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 no. i will - honest to goodness - give up on heavyweight boxing if this bum gets a title shot. he's a circus act and nothing more. as soon as he fights someone with a chin and a bit of skill he will likely lose and we can move on with our lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Slice v Wilder please... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skav Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Audley Harrison did. Why not Kimbo? He's popular and brings in the punters, right? That's what counts more these days. Not statistics and achievements. Just ask Antonio Margarito after he got his shot against Pacquiao and Tyson getting a shot after only fighting a couple of bums after being put away for 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donlevy Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 It wouldn't even get sanctioned.Regardless of how much of a disappointment Audley's been,or how undeserving Tyson and Margarito were,they were all heavens above Kimbo Slice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemurphy Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Agree with Don, as big a splash as Kimbo is making, he's still just 1-0 and NONE of these fights mentioned would EVER be sanctioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Galveston Giant Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 I don't expect him to go very far and not sure any of the brothers would be interested unless serious money was involved, going to be interesting to see how far he can go though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Agree with Don, as big a splash as Kimbo is making, he's still just 1-0 and NONE of these fights mentioned would EVER be sanctioned. Dave, do you think Kimbo will be brought a long properly like most Heavyweights/fighters or due to his age and name recognition - get thrown into the 1st big money fight that they can get? He's about 37 and a pretty big Heavyweight - in superb muscular condition. From all I've seen of him he is more suited to the punching role rather than MMA. He does seem to be a Heavy hitter. If he was 23 then he could have a bright future but he's not. Alot complained that the guy he just beat was a bum. The guy was 0-1 and that seems a normal style opponent for your 1st fight as a Pro boxer. I think boxing forum fans are expecting Kimbo to be jumping in with seasoned Pro's straight away which for me is nonsensical. I, for one will be interested to watch how his career is handled. I like the guy but I don't see him getting too a titleshot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 He's 37, and not a raw novice lets be honest, we expect him in with folks better than 39 year old Cruiserweights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 He's 37, and not a raw novice lets be honest, we expect him in with folks better than 39 year old Cruiserweights. He's a novice at boxing. How do you chuck him in hard? He has name status but zero boxing background, so to expect anymore is silly. Eric Molina just fought Warren Browning - nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 They should have put him in with a Klitschko, given every boxer who goes to UFC seems to get lumped in with a legend, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 He's 37, and not a raw novice lets be honest, we expect him in with folks better than 39 year old Cruiserweights. He's a novice at boxing. How do you chuck him in hard? He has name status but zero boxing background, so to expect anymore is silly. Eric Molina just fought Warren Browning - nuff said. You throw him in with a career loser, like Kelsey Arnold or Deandre McCole...some one who would TEACH him something not someone who lasts 17 seconds. Don't defend Slice by using another example of bleh matchmaking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 He's 37, and not a raw novice lets be honest, we expect him in with folks better than 39 year old Cruiserweights. He's a novice at boxing. How do you chuck him in hard? He has name status but zero boxing background, so to expect anymore is silly. Eric Molina just fought Warren Browning - nuff said. You throw him in with a career loser, like Kelsey Arnold or Deandre McCole...some one who would TEACH him something not someone who lasts 17 seconds. Don't defend Slice by using another example of bleh matchmaking Why shouldn't Slice be doing what Deontay Wilder has done or Tyson or Bruno? These guys had some amateur experience so to jump on Slice for fighting a bum in his 1st fight is rather lame. He ain't gonna fight a monstar and Heavyweights never have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Galveston Giant Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Kimbo has no backround experience in Boxing or MMA, his strenghts are his heavy hands and was constantly taken down in MMA. Boxing is what he's best suited for but it's too late in the day for him to make any sort of real challenge on the Heavyweight division, he's too set in his ways to learn how to box properly and stamina will be a real issue if he can't secure the KO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 He's 37, and not a raw novice lets be honest, we expect him in with folks better than 39 year old Cruiserweights. He's a novice at boxing. How do you chuck him in hard? He has name status but zero boxing background, so to expect anymore is silly. Eric Molina just fought Warren Browning - nuff said. You throw him in with a career loser, like Kelsey Arnold or Deandre McCole...some one who would TEACH him something not someone who lasts 17 seconds. Don't defend Slice by using another example of bleh matchmaking Why shouldn't Slice be doing what Deontay Wilder has done or Tyson or Bruno? These guys had some amateur experience so to jump on Slice for fighting a bum in his 1st fight is rather lame. He ain't gonna fight a monstar and Heavyweights never have. Because he's 37, not 25. Wilder's debut opponent had had 5 fights (2-2-1) Bruno's debut opponent was Lupe Guerra who was 17-6, Tyson was 18 when he debuted and even his opponent had more experience than Slice's opponent (3 fights, 12 rounds) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 He's 37, and not a raw novice lets be honest, we expect him in with folks better than 39 year old Cruiserweights. He's a novice at boxing. How do you chuck him in hard? He has name status but zero boxing background, so to expect anymore is silly. Eric Molina just fought Warren Browning - nuff said. You throw him in with a career loser, like Kelsey Arnold or Deandre McCole...some one who would TEACH him something not someone who lasts 17 seconds. Don't defend Slice by using another example of bleh matchmaking Why shouldn't Slice be doing what Deontay Wilder has done or Tyson or Bruno? These guys had some amateur experience so to jump on Slice for fighting a bum in his 1st fight is rather lame. He ain't gonna fight a monstar and Heavyweights never have. Because he's 37, not 25. Wilder's debut opponent had had 5 fights (2-2-1) Bruno's debut opponent was Lupe Guerra who was 17-6, Tyson was 18 when he debuted and even his opponent had more experience than Slice's opponent (3 fights, 12 rounds) And all had AMATEUR experience. He doesn't. Get off the Boxrec and get with boxing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 He's 37, and not a raw novice lets be honest, we expect him in with folks better than 39 year old Cruiserweights. He's a novice at boxing. How do you chuck him in hard? He has name status but zero boxing background, so to expect anymore is silly. Eric Molina just fought Warren Browning - nuff said. You throw him in with a career loser, like Kelsey Arnold or Deandre McCole...some one who would TEACH him something not someone who lasts 17 seconds. Don't defend Slice by using another example of bleh matchmaking Why shouldn't Slice be doing what Deontay Wilder has done or Tyson or Bruno? These guys had some amateur experience so to jump on Slice for fighting a bum in his 1st fight is rather lame. He ain't gonna fight a monstar and Heavyweights never have. Because he's 37, not 25. Wilder's debut opponent had had 5 fights (2-2-1) Bruno's debut opponent was Lupe Guerra who was 17-6, Tyson was 18 when he debuted and even his opponent had more experience than Slice's opponent (3 fights, 12 rounds) And all had AMATEUR experience. He doesn't. Get off the Boxrec and get with boxing. All were SIGNIFICANTLY younger, they weren't turning to boxing in their 30's, he's had training (striking training in MMA would be pretty good training) and they were all "kids" in heavyweight boxing terms. Heck even the likes of Tyson Fury made his debut against a better opponent. A 37 year old debuting against a 39 year old with 3 rounds experience isn't the sort of start he needs unless he's going to fight 10 or 11 times in the next 12 months. His big issues from his street fighting days were stamina so put him in with someone who's not going to topple over immediately... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 He's 37, and not a raw novice lets be honest, we expect him in with folks better than 39 year old Cruiserweights. He's a novice at boxing. How do you chuck him in hard? He has name status but zero boxing background, so to expect anymore is silly. Eric Molina just fought Warren Browning - nuff said. You throw him in with a career loser, like Kelsey Arnold or Deandre McCole...some one who would TEACH him something not someone who lasts 17 seconds. Don't defend Slice by using another example of bleh matchmaking Why shouldn't Slice be doing what Deontay Wilder has done or Tyson or Bruno? These guys had some amateur experience so to jump on Slice for fighting a bum in his 1st fight is rather lame. He ain't gonna fight a monstar and Heavyweights never have. Because he's 37, not 25. Wilder's debut opponent had had 5 fights (2-2-1) Bruno's debut opponent was Lupe Guerra who was 17-6, Tyson was 18 when he debuted and even his opponent had more experience than Slice's opponent (3 fights, 12 rounds) And all had AMATEUR experience. He doesn't. Get off the Boxrec and get with boxing. All were SIGNIFICANTLY younger, they weren't turning to boxing in their 30's, he's had training (striking training in MMA would be pretty good training) and they were all "kids" in heavyweight boxing terms. Heck even the likes of Tyson Fury made his debut against a better opponent. A 37 year old debuting against a 39 year old with 3 rounds experience isn't the sort of start he needs unless he's going to fight 10 or 11 times in the next 12 months. His big issues from his street fighting days were stamina so put him in with someone who's not going to topple over immediately... You called him a "raw novice" earlier but expected better opposition. You can't have it both ways. I'll spell it out for you as you didn't get what I said earlier: He is no Bruno, Tyson etc and he hasn't had the boxing background. For you to then expect Kimbo to fight someone better than Wade and complain seems harsh to say the least. I don't understand your back tracking on this subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 I think his point is, like Matt Skelton, Slice just doesn't have time to do it the "usual" way - starting a 37-year-old off on 0-1 fighters isn't going to teach im anything and if he's to have any chance at all he needs to be on a constant and steep learnin curve. You fast-track him through a few durable losers to show him the basics and then you starting stepping him up to a higher level and if if it pays off, fantastic, if it doesn't, too bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 He is a raw novice in terms of boxing, not fighting. A raw novice doesn't learn anything by beating on other raw novices (see also the lack of development by Wilder) especially ones that last 17 seconds. He needs to get in the developmental fights at his age not record padding ones, if he wants to make some real money he'll have to get some TV time or some sort of ranking/high profile fight at some point, beating up on the likes of Wade won't help either. I can expect better than 39 year old 0-1 guys with less than 3 rounds of experience for a "feared street fighter" and a "trained MMA fighter". He's no Bruno, a 20 something KID, he's no Tyson, an 18 year old KID, he's a 37 year old MAN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 He is a raw novice in terms of boxing, not fighting. A raw novice doesn't learn anything by beating on other raw novices (see also the lack of development by Wilder) especially ones that last 17 seconds. He needs to get in the developmental fights at his age not record padding ones, if he wants to make some real money he'll have to get some TV time or some sort of ranking/high profile fight at some point, beating up on the likes of Wade won't help either. I can expect better than 39 year old 0-1 guys with less than 3 rounds of experience for a "feared street fighter" and a "trained MMA fighter". He's no Bruno, a 20 something KID, he's no Tyson, an 18 year old KID, he's a 37 year old MAN. How many fights has Kimbo had - maybe 6 via Youtube and another 6 on MMA. That hardly equates to Tyson who won the Junior Olympics. My original reply to DaveMurphy was about how to bring Kimbo along and you make good points. But I believe its wrong to condemn him for that 1st fight. 0-1 opponents don't always mean bums. Kimbo starts somewhere. He's a name and I don't think any promoter in the World puts him in too tough straight away - they have to see what he can do. He has no amateur experience for them to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapevine241 Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 kimbo is going to get waxed in his first real test. the man is a joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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