fightfan Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Does Ortiz have it in him is the first question i ask myself? Can Ortiz apply Pressure like he did with Berto? Will his punches get throw Mayweathers superb defence? Can he beat Mayweather on the inside? Can he beat Mayweather on the outside? What punch does Ortiz have in his arsenal that may cause Mayweather problems? Does Ortiz stand a chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAZZ-MCFC Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 No, to your last question. Floyd has faced fighters like Ortiz many a time, Ortiz has NEVER faced a fighter like Floyd. Floyd will counter punch him from the word go and wear him down with sheer accuracy. Victor's heart is going to be broken again on September 17th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 So long as Ortiz tries to win that's all you can really ask. He's more or less made it clear he's not in it for the money, which sounds like it's crap, but he seems to genuinely want to test himself against Mayweather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapevine241 Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 its mayweather's fight to lose not ortiz's to win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBride Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 He has got to try to do what the previous 41 have tried and failed, and take Mayweather out of his stride. Dont allow him to dictate the pace and distance the fight is fought at. Which we all know is easier said than done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemurphy Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 Over the years I've found a Very High Percentage of the time, when you have a fighter who is experienced with the mega-fight atmosphere faces a guy who's never experienced it, the mega-fight Virgin USUALLY comes up short. It was Truer in the Closed Circuit Days, but still exists today. Ortiz-Berto wasn't really that big a deal, at least not enough for me to think he can handle THIS spotlight without a lot of jitters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skav Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 The same question can be asked of all Floyd's opponents. Use educated pressure and try to keep adjusting every time Floyd does. Floyd wins because he adapts to his opponents styles so his opponents also have to change their gameplans throughout the fight. It's something the one dimensional Ortiz just cannot do as he evidently showed against Peterson and Berto. Btw, I'm going to the press conference in London on Monday. Should be fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapevine241 Posted August 12, 2011 Share Posted August 12, 2011 tbh i dont think floyd is all that bothered by pressure... its a bit of myth after the first castillo fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 He has got to try to do what the previous 41 have tried and failed, and take Mayweather out of his stride. Dont allow him to dictate the pace and distance the fight is fought at. Which we all know is easier said than done. Am I the only person out here who can count? 1-Apodaca 2-Sanders 3-Cooper 4-Ayala 5-Rodriguez 6-Giepert 7-Duran 8-O'Shields 9-Chavez 10-Leija 11-Garcia 12-Nunez 13-Arroyo 14-Girard 15-Melo 16-Cuello 17-Pep 18-Hernandez 19-Manfredy 20-Rios 21-Juuko 22-Gerena 23-Vargas 24-Augustus 25-Corrales 26-Hernandez 27-Chavez 28-Castillo 29-Sosa 30-N'dou 31-Corley 32-Brusels 33-Gatti 34-Mitchell 35-Judah 36-Baldomir 37-De L Hoya 38-Hatton 39-Marquez 40-Mosley 40 have come before...not 41... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAZZ-MCFC Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 He has got to try to do what the previous 41 have tried and failed, and take Mayweather out of his stride. Dont allow him to dictate the pace and distance the fight is fought at. Which we all know is easier said than done. Am I the only person out here who can count? 1-Apodaca 2-Sanders 3-Cooper 4-Ayala 5-Rodriguez 6-Giepert 7-Duran 8-O'Shields 9-Chavez 10-Leija 11-Garcia 12-Nunez 13-Arroyo 14-Girard 15-Melo 16-Cuello 17-Pep 18-Hernandez 19-Manfredy 20-Rios 21-Juuko 22-Gerena 23-Vargas 24-Augustus 25-Corrales 26-Hernandez 27-Chavez 28-Castillo 29-Sosa 30-N'dou 31-Corley 32-Brusels 33-Gatti 34-Mitchell 35-Judah 36-Baldomir 37-De L Hoya 38-Hatton 39-Marquez 40-Mosley 40 have come before...not 41... Don't get all technical, you know what he means! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 So arithmetic is technical now? That's Manchester learnin' for ya ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irondave85 Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 To stand a half a chance against Floyd, I think you need a great jab for starters and be able to utilize it. Oscar's jab gave Floyd plenty of problems early on, before he bizarrely stopped using it and then said "it wasn't the night of the jab" (whatever that means) in the post-fight interview. I think being adept at counter-punching is a major plus as well. DeMarcus Corley, a B-level fighter but also a cute counter-puncher back in the day, had Floyd on Queer Street a couple of times by landing a pair of beautifully timed counters. At the end of the day, you can't really say there's any formula to beating Floyd as it hasn't been done yet. A couple have come close, but ultimately his "0" remains intact. I think Ortiz is kind of caught between a rock and a hard place. He has to pressure Floyd I feel, but the problem is Floyd has fought and beaten better pressure fighters before. It's a good fight; easily the best welterweight contest Floyd can have outside of a Pacquiao clash. However, the only realistic chance of an upset is if Mayweather has grown old since May 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBride Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 He has got to try to do what the previous 41 have tried and failed, and take Mayweather out of his stride. Dont allow him to dictate the pace and distance the fight is fought at. Which we all know is easier said than done. Am I the only person out here who can count? 40 have come before...not 41... I suppose everyone has to be useful for something. Obviously he sees the fact that JLC had 2 goes, as more important than him being the same person, which is why he says in that Kellerman / Ortiz thing, 41 have tried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Or alternatively, Mayweather's not very bright. Imagine that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 He has got to try to do what the previous 41 have tried and failed, and take Mayweather out of his stride. Dont allow him to dictate the pace and distance the fight is fought at. Which we all know is easier said than done. Am I the only person out here who can count? 40 have come before...not 41... I suppose everyone has to be useful for something. Obviously he sees the fact that JLC had 2 goes, as more important than him being the same person, which is why he says in that Kellerman / Ortiz thing, 41 have tried. He can say and feel what he wants, only 40 have tried...it's the US president thing all over again. America has only had 43 presidents NOT 44, Grover Cleveland has been president twice but is only one person. It's "ok" if a fighter wants to lie, they do all the time, but why are the fans too...inept to say "No, only 40 have tried"...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted August 13, 2011 Share Posted August 13, 2011 Ortiz has to hope Floyd ain't as sharp as he has been and thats possible as Floyd has had out of the ring distractions and also lay-offs from the ring. Ortiz needs to have worked on his own defence but fight like a man possessed. I saw Honeyghan do it against Curry and Ortiz needs to try the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skav Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 The only curious thing I can really say about this fight is that Mayweather has been rocked in the past two fights. He was caught with a big right against Marquez in the 3rd before being put down and Mosley rocked him in the second. Floyd Sr has also said that he's noticed that Floyd looked a bit slower against Mosley. Is it something to think about? Probably not, but I'll put that out there anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBride Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 The only curious thing I can really say about this fight is that Mayweather has been rocked in the past two fights. He was caught with a big right against Marquez in the 3rd before being put down and Mosley rocked him in the second. Floyd Sr has also said that he's noticed that Floyd looked a bit slower against Mosley. Is it something to think about? Probably not, but I'll put that out there anyway. Can you show us video evidence of Mayweather being knocked down against Marquez in the 3rd round, or even the big right hand that troubled him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBride Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 He has got to try to do what the previous 41 have tried and failed, and take Mayweather out of his stride. Dont allow him to dictate the pace and distance the fight is fought at. Which we all know is easier said than done. Am I the only person out here who can count? 40 have come before...not 41... I suppose everyone has to be useful for something. Obviously he sees the fact that JLC had 2 goes, as more important than him being the same person, which is why he says in that Kellerman / Ortiz thing, 41 have tried. He can say and feel what he wants, only 40 have tried...it's the US president thing all over again. America has only had 43 presidents NOT 44, Grover Cleveland has been president twice but is only one person. It's "ok" if a fighter wants to lie, they do all the time, but why are the fans too...inept to say "No, only 40 have tried"...? Probably because only fans like you and Gav are pedantic enough to give a shit. I'd rather take notice of Mayweather when he says 41 attempts have been made at beating him, and ALL have failed. I also find it hilarious that some so called fans have a much bigger problem with a fighter having a 0 at the end of his record than the guy they accuse of only being interested in protecting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 He has got to try to do what the previous 41 have tried and failed, and take Mayweather out of his stride. Dont allow him to dictate the pace and distance the fight is fought at. Which we all know is easier said than done. Am I the only person out here who can count? 40 have come before...not 41... I suppose everyone has to be useful for something. Obviously he sees the fact that JLC had 2 goes, as more important than him being the same person, which is why he says in that Kellerman / Ortiz thing, 41 have tried. He can say and feel what he wants, only 40 have tried...it's the US president thing all over again. America has only had 43 presidents NOT 44, Grover Cleveland has been president twice but is only one person. It's "ok" if a fighter wants to lie, they do all the time, but why are the fans too...inept to say "No, only 40 have tried"...? Probably because only fans like you and Gav are pedantic enough to give a shit. I'd rather take notice of Mayweather when he says 41 attempts have been made at beating him, and ALL have failed. He doesn't come out with "41 attempts" it's "41 have tried", it's not pedantic to be able to...you know, count to 41... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBride Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Like I said, you have the big problem with the 0 at the end of his record. Maybe one day you will grow up and get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Like I said, you have the big problem with the 0 at the end of his record. Maybe one day you will grow up and get over it. I love the 0's, I love the fact guys like Ji Won Kim, Michael Lowe, Terry Marsh, Pichit Sithbanprachan, Marciano, Lopez, Valero, Ottke etc etc got out with their 0's in place I have no problem with that.(Heck I've been paid for writing about all the champions who've remained undefeated). What I dislike is someone saying something that simple isn't true. When he beats Ortiz it'll be "41 have tried and failed", but not until he beats Ortiz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skav Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 The only curious thing I can really say about this fight is that Mayweather has been rocked in the past two fights. He was caught with a big right against Marquez in the 3rd before being put down and Mosley rocked him in the second. Floyd Sr has also said that he's noticed that Floyd looked a bit slower against Mosley. Is it something to think about? Probably not, but I'll put that out there anyway. Can you show us video evidence of Mayweather being knocked down against Marquez in the 3rd round, or even the big right hand that troubled him? My error, "himself" is the word I was meant to include. Marquez hit Mayweather with a big right before being put down HIMSELF. And it's FORTY...NOT forty one! mlol/ And yes, it does matter. It's absolutely laughable when this dude claims to be such and such but cannot count. As I've said before, the more cockier a boxer is, the more severe a reaction he'll get from the public. Him not being able to count has got nothing to do with him being undefeated. Calzaghe was but I didn't see lots of people pine for his loss. Or Chavez before being beat for the first time against Randall? Stop spewing garbage! If anything, Floyd wants us to hate his 0. That's his marketing for the PPV's. "Come and see if I get beat." But, newsflash, that marketing gimmick doesn't work on everybody! I'll be sure to tell him it's FORTY tomorrow when I see him. Oh, here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlngsZKXQ-4 I guess I don't have to tell you to skip to the third. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAZZ-MCFC Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 The only curious thing I can really say about this fight is that Mayweather has been rocked in the past two fights. He was caught with a big right against Marquez in the 3rd before being put down and Mosley rocked him in the second. Floyd Sr has also said that he's noticed that Floyd looked a bit slower against Mosley. Is it something to think about? Probably not, but I'll put that out there anyway. Can you show us video evidence of Mayweather being knocked down against Marquez in the 3rd round, or even the big right hand that troubled him? My error, "himself" is the word I was meant to include. Marquez hit Mayweather with a big right before being put down HIMSELF. And it's FORTY...NOT forty one! mlol/ And yes, it does matter. It's absolutely laughable when this dude claims to be such and such but cannot count. As I've said before, the more cockier a boxer is, the more severe a reaction he'll get from the public. Him not being able to count has got nothing to do with him being undefeated. Calzaghe was but I didn't see lots of people pine for his loss. Or Chavez before being beat for the first time against Randall? Stop spewing garbage! If anything, Floyd wants us to hate his 0. That's his marketing for the PPV's. "Come and see if I get beat." But, newsflash, that marketing gimmick doesn't work on everybody! I'll be sure to tell him it's FORTY tomorrow when I see him. Oh, here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlngsZKXQ-4 I guess I don't have to tell you to skip to the third. you definitely won't say that to Floyd ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 It was in the second round of the Marquz fight and Mayweather doesn't look like he's been rocked by it at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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