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Ortiz vs Ruiz, this weekend !


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Just heard about this fight.  Talk about flying under the radar.......

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I'm gonna' mix up some Cuba Libres, and root for the old man.

Ortiz's reflexes have probably slowed a bit, but his basic counterpunching style doesn't fade with age a much as most other styles.  He's surely still very dangerous.

 

- And other than hand speed,  Andy is tailor-made for him,  due to his short reach and average ring movement.

Plus, I bet Andy is not taking this fight as seriously as he probably should, and will be a step or two off, whereas this figt is the entire world for Ortz.

 

So:   Ortiz by KO, probably late in the fight, when a frustrated Fat Andy starts throwing desperation bombs and walks into a Cuban counter from Hell.

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I was on Ortiz from the time this fight was floated and haven't changed my mind. Ortiz is savvy enough of a fighter to handle anything Ruiz brings. Ruiz has got to get close to have a chance; Ortiz has the skills to make him pay. Plus I agree I think this fight means more to Ortiz than it does to Ruiz. We're getting some good fights matching top 10-15 contenders. An important win for whoever emerges from this one.

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--- Nice to see phrenology resurrected from the dead by the all knowing, all seeing experts

Andy ain't ever been KOed nor seriously hurt and has the best scalp of all, that of undefeated Josh.

Now, who the best Ortiz scalp? Bryant Jennings? Really? How many x Ortiz be KOed?

What I'm sayin' is don't bet granny's farm on it...👺

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--- Weighin today, fire fight on Sunday of all days, sacrereligious Mon Dieu!!!

*** Fat Andy weight prediction. He figured out in the Arreola fight him looking trim at the weighin ain't the same feeling good in the ring, so I say between 260-265.

Embrace your inner Fatboy, Andy, and the fights will take care of themselves.

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On the undercard Abner Mares returns after a four year layoff. He was due to fight Tank in 2019 but suffered a detached retina in sparring. Had it corrected surgically, but then came the pandemic, Abner got into commentating, and the boxing career was put to the side. He said he got the itch again watching Tank fight Barrios last year. Abner takes on Miguel Flores on Sunday. Whether a win leads to another match with Santa Cruz or a fight with Tank - suicide if you ask me - is TBD.

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Ortiz was getting dropped by Charles Martin, in his last fight. Looked his age - slower than slow. His only win before that was a farce against Flores (who didn't want to know). Those two fights since the Wilder KO loss, in 2019. 'King Kong' got about 2 inches in height advantage.

Ruiz will look to close the gap, his hands much faster. He could get nailed but, if, he's trained and hunts Ortiz, then he should have a lot of success. Can see Andy getting the stoppage in this one. Rumours of his training seem positive but we shall see. It should be the younger man's fight.

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Yeah,  Andy looks to be in the best shape of his career,  and by a lot.

If he fights smart,   and doesn't do anything too aggressive or momentarily freeze,  (as he is prone to do at times)  then he should take this.

But I'm still rooting for the old man !

 

This is gonna' be a fascinating fight.     Actually a really good card all-around.

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I just realized that Andy is no longer working with Eddie Reynoso, but instead has been training for this fight with Alfredo Asuna.

What do you guys make of that?

- I must admit, I have no idea who Asuna is. Oddly, he looks a lot like Angel Fernandez, the useless conman currently training AJ.

 

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Anthony Joshua Trainer Angel Fernandez On Loss To Oleksandr Usyk » Boxing Videos

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6 hours ago, Cableaddict said:

 

I just realized that Andy is no longer working with Eddie Reynoso, but instead has been training for this fight with Alfredo Asuna.

What do you guys make of that?

- I must admit, I have no idea who Asuna is. Oddly, he looks a lot like Angel Fernandez, the useless conman currently training AJ.

 

ကြည့်ရှုရန် လော့ဂ်အင်ဝင်ပါ သို့မဟုတ် အကောင့်ဖွင့်ပါ

 

Anthony Joshua Trainer Angel Fernandez On Loss To Oleksandr Usyk » Boxing Videos

--- Never heard of the guy, but since I don't appear to have or know where my editing options are to put Spoilers in the header, Spoilers are in effect!

 

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--- Fat Andy drops Luiz x3 and barely scrapes a win, so boxing officiating still up to no good. Luis never appeared hurt, but it seems he just can't keep his feets anymore against fighters with power. Seems Andy's body shot near caved him in at one point, but he couldn't or didn't follow up. Andy made the point he needs to be more active after over a year out of the ring, like 3x a year, so he seems to be swinging into another title run.

Andy Ruiz drops Luis Ortiz three times, wins unanimous decision in LA - The Ring (ringtv.com)

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I thought Ortiz still won enough rounds to win on points. The second KD in R2 was bogus; Ruiz cuffed Ortiz behind the head then dragged him down. But the judges have spoken and Ruiz deserves credit for a top 10 win. Neither fighter distinguished himself. Ruiz played the role of counter puncher and barely scraped by. Ortiz didn't give him many counter opportunities but Ruiz took advantage of two in particular and those were the difference. That R7 KD punch wasn't much; troubling that Ortiz wasn't able to keep his feet there.

It's laughable when Ruiz - and Wilder - state their intentions to fight multiple times per year. If that's the case, where have you been? Wilder enters the ring post-fight to do the promoter's bidding ("here's what's coming next folks"). Is he looking past Helenius? A dangerous proposition. This was supposedly a WBC eliminator. Fury still has that title. But this was a PBC show so the focus is centered on contracted fighters.

Still lots of good fights coming up among the top heavyweights. Just don't be surprised if the promoters and alphabets muck it up by splintering the titles, making up new ones, even ignoring the results to get the matchups they want. Keep your eye on the prize. Usyk's the man; everyone else is a contender. There was never anything wrong with being a contender back in the day. Why should there be now?

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I don't see it like you guys. I thought Ruiz clearly deserved the win, as Ortiz did too little in the second half and only came on at the end, in the very last round. He was dropped hard in the seventh and took some big ones also after that. He held his own but was nowhere near dominating. It was only in the first and maybe third and fourth that he was really rocking Ruiz.

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4 hours ago, BoztheMadman said:

I don't see it like you guys. I thought Ruiz clearly deserved the win, as Ortiz did too little in the second half and only came on at the end, in the very last round. He was dropped hard in the seventh and took some big ones also after that. He held his own but was nowhere near dominating. It was only in the first and maybe third and fourth that he was really rocking Ruiz.

 

I'm with Boz.

 

Credit to the old man, who  was rooting for)   he looked fantastic for 43 y-0,   but most of his punches missed.   I only gave him rounds 1,  10,  and 12.    

-  And even 10 was close.

Ruiz played it safe,  which was boring-but-smart,   and he definitely was out-landing Ortiz IMO.

 

Ortiz looked great in round 12,  but why did he wait so long to come forward and pressure,  when Andy clearly wasn't trying to win on the inside?

He should have turned it on around round 9 or 10,   and just gone for broke.

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