gavpowell Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 UK Anti-Doping has confirmed the charges against Tyson and Hughie Fury and the pair will face a tribunal in due course, with a result expected before the Klitschko rematch in October. From BBC News: Tyson Fury: World heavyweight champion faces UK Anti-Doping charge - BBC Sport British world heavyweight champion Tyson Fury is to face a UK Anti-Doping (Ukad) charge over the presence of a banned substance.Fury was provisionally suspended in June, though that has been lifted pending a hearing, Ukad has revealed. The 27-year-old had said on Tuesday he would sue the organisation over allegations he used a performance-enhancing substance. ... A spokeswoman said: "UK Anti-Doping can confirm that both boxers were charged on 24 June 2016 with presence of a prohibited substance." On Tuesday, the legal team for the Furys said they had issued proceedings in the High Court. A statement from lawyer Lewis Power read: "The two boxers strenuously deny taking any performance-enhancing drugs. "However, during the last five weeks, leaks about these charges have appeared in the press and both boxers have been the targets of continual abusive language on Twitter." So much for "We are baffled by this story" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selij Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 Re: Doping Charges For Tyson & Hughie Fury UKAD would have checked, double checked and treble checked their analysis before charging them. Nandrolone has a unique "molar mass" - cant be mistaken for any other substance known to science - and is very simple to detect. Are these lads nuts or just getting very bad advice from their "nutritionists"...? Nandrolone bought for Linford Christie a 2 year ban although he still kept his OBE, bless him. He had 100x the permitted level in his system when he was tested after an indoor meeting in Germany in the late 90's and he was semi-retired then, too.. I am not saying drug taking is right or wrong, but it has no place in boxing, certainly. And there are a hundred more sophisticated ways of doping and not getting caught available nowadays especially to someone who isnt short of a few bob like Tyson, but Nandrolone? FFS. In the bodybuilding circles I move in nandrolone hasnt even been mentioned since the mid 90s. Addendum: Nandrolone (in its many trade names) is an IM injectible, so could Tyson explain how he accidentally fell onto a syringe filled with it, upper buttock first, and managed to successfully inject himself? (PPS I've not read a lot about Hughie so I dont know if he's taken Deca too, not sure what he's been charged with taking) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted August 3, 2016 Author Share Posted August 3, 2016 Re: Doping Charges For Tyson & Hughie Fury I laughed particularly hard at "both boxers have been the targets of continual abusive language on Twitter" Oh no! Fancy posting awful/abusive rubbish on Twitter! And at that nice Mr Fury, who never so much as looked like upsetting anyone in his life! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 Re: Doping Charges For Tyson & Hughie Fury If they are guilty then strip them of belts and turn over win results. Disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonRingRules Posted August 3, 2016 Share Posted August 3, 2016 (edited) Re: Doping Charges For Tyson & Hughie Fury --- How can they triple check the two sample system they have in check currently? How can they allow a lessor amount if the only way to test positive is to inject it? And why couldn't this be just another example of contaminated supplements? And if they are going to implement such a strong accusation and suspension, why wont they release the values for both A and B samples for the public to compare? I suspect the reason is these illicit drug testing cartels are dirtier than the fighters they test. Edited August 3, 2016 by LondonRingRules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odhranc14 Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 Re: Doping Charges For Tyson & Hughie Fury Heard the Furys are suing UKID? Can someone shed some clarity on a muddled situation for me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cableaddict Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 Re: Doping Charges For Tyson & Hughie Fury UKAD should test the Furys to see if they've been taking any drugs that make people stupid. :haha: ===================================== Anyway: How long until Fury - Klitschko II? That's exactly how long Tyson's ban will be for, minus a couple of days. Or they'll have the official hearing 1 week AFTER the fight, then ban him for 6 months.. Same as it ever was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxeador Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 Re: Doping Charges For Tyson & Hughie Fury Oh!. It´s a family affair... Anyway, that banned substance could has done a terrible effect on their brains too:haha: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted August 4, 2016 Author Share Posted August 4, 2016 Re: Doping Charges For Tyson & Hughie Fury Heard the Furys are suing UKID? Can someone shed some clarity on a muddled situation for me? You could ready my opening post and the link within it.. On Tuesday, the legal team for the Furys said they had issued proceedings in the High Court. A statement from lawyer Lewis Power read: "The two boxers strenuously deny taking any performance-enhancing drugs."However, during the last five weeks, leaks about these charges have appeared in the press and both boxers have been the targets of continual abusive language on Twitter." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 Re: Doping Charges For Tyson & Hughie Fury So they fail a test in February 2015, nothing is mentioned about it until June/July 2016? If innocent UKAD need to be given a major shake up, they dropped the ball in waiting over a year to mention this and should be sued to high heaven on route. If guilty UKAD should be given a shake up and should be seriously dragged through the mud for allowing fighters on PED to continue to fight, potentially putting others at risk of serious harm. I'm not defending or slamming the Fury's here, just annoyed at the whole anti-doping thing which we've seen, once again, isn't fit for purpose. It's almost a regular thing now and needs to be given a massive over-haul after things like Vargas fighting with a banned substance, Browne being stripped for a banned substance, Ortiz being ignored for his digressions, Russia being thrown under the bus, Whyte being given a sterner punishment than Maccarenelli, the whole fiasco with Povetkin, the allowance of certain boosting asthma drugs ALLOWED FOR NON ASTHMATICS!, the "watch list" featuring Caffeine and Nicotine. The whole thing is a fucking joke, it needs a clear out the top brass, starting from scratch a new approach needs to be brought in regarding what actually is "performance enhancing" and either a blanket ban on all known chemicals that enhance performance (the Asthma drugs and TRT being two notable examples), or a very clear reasoning why some chemicals are allowed and some aren't. They need to be MUCH more transparent with both the athletes, media and the fans. At the moment the thing is a mess and we are seeing it rear it's head on an almost weekly basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 Re: Doping Charges For Tyson & Hughie Fury Seems the suspension has now been lifted or ended. Confusing situation to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ton Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 Re: Doping Charges For Tyson & Hughie Fury Just another shambles within the sport! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonRingRules Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 Re: Doping Charges For Tyson & Hughie Fury --- Boxing makes it's biggest money in the confusion wrought by the smoke and mirrors oversight of the sport. We should not hold the fighters to a higher standard than their overseers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murmurs Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 Re: Doping Charges For Tyson & Hughie Fury Very surprised that there hasn't been any sort of comment from the Klitschko camp about any of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cableaddict Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 (edited) Re: Doping Charges For Tyson & Hughie Fury Very surprised that there hasn't been any sort of comment from the Klitschko camp about any of this. Why would they say anything? Wlad already knows he's winning the second fight, so as to set up the third fight & then retire without ever having to face Wilder. It's in the script. The same script that said, "In the first fight, in order to set up a huge-money trilogy, Wlad will pretend to be confused by Fury's movement, and when he DOES throw punches, they will only be at 2/3 his normal speed, so as not to actually hurt The Big Dufus. Don't worry, most fans won't notice." Team Klitschko has no reason to hamper fight #2 in any way. Talking about this PEDs thing can only delay things. Edited August 4, 2016 by Cableaddict Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murmurs Posted August 4, 2016 Share Posted August 4, 2016 (edited) Re: Doping Charges For Tyson & Hughie Fury Why would they say anything? Wlad already knows he's winning the second fight, so as to set up the third fight & then retire without ever having to face Wilder. It's in the script. The same script that said, "In the first fight, in order to set up a huge-money trilogy, Wlad will pretend to be confused by Fury's movement, and when he DOES throw punches, they will only be at 2/3 his normal speed, so as not to actually hurt The Big Dufus. Don't worry, most fans won't notice." Team Klitschko has no reason to hamper fight #2 in any way. Talking about this PEDs thing can only delay things. Thought Klitschko was very much anti doping. As it looks like Fury was doped to the eyeballs fighting him in the 1st fight, thought he might have something to say. Whether or not you agree with me that the first fight was fixed, (I am 100% certain) the fact still remains that Wlad wants the second and third fights with Fury to happen, and before he gets much older. He's not going to do ANYTHING to tip over that giant cash cow. Edited August 5, 2016 by Cableaddict Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted August 5, 2016 Author Share Posted August 5, 2016 Re: Doping Charges For Tyson & Hughie Fury Thought Klitschko was very much anti doping. As it looks like Fury was doped to the eyeballs fighting him in the 1st fight, thought he might have something to say. Steady on, testing positive for an undisclosed quantity of nandrolone months before the Klitschko fight does not equal doped to the eyeballs during their fight - he may have been, but there's no evidence for that and he presumably didn't fail any tests pre or post-fight then. Klitschko has said a few times that he's fervently anti-drugs, but has generally refused anything beyond the mandatory testing required by the relevant commission. Selij will tell you that Germany allows a much higher testosterone:epitestosterone ratio than anywhere else and Wlad uses this to cheat, but that's hearsay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted August 5, 2016 Author Share Posted August 5, 2016 Re: Doping Charges For Tyson & Hughie Fury retire without ever having to face Wilder.. As previously discussed, Wlad has no obligation to fight Wilder ever - he can cheerfully avoid Wilder without Fury, just as Wilder has avoided any serious opposition in favour of Chris Arreola. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ton Posted August 5, 2016 Share Posted August 5, 2016 Re: Doping Charges For Tyson & Hughie Fury Surely the biggest fight for Wlad out there, should he actually face Fury (and win of course) is Wilder. Unless there's a trilogy first with Fury. But either way Wilder is the next name for Wlad, that fight will get made if he sticks around. I really hope it does to see what conspiracy Cable can come up with for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted August 5, 2016 Author Share Posted August 5, 2016 Re: Doping Charges For Tyson & Hughie Fury Surely the biggest fight for Wlad out there, should he actually face Fury (and win of course) is Wilder. Wilder's only real appeal is he has a belt(and if he ever fights again, he may well have had to vacate it before then), but of course so does Joshua, and Joshua likely brings a hell of a lot more money with him than Wilder, so Joshua could easily be next for the winner of Klitschko-Fury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selij Posted August 5, 2016 Share Posted August 5, 2016 Re: Doping Charges For Tyson & Hughie Fury Germany allows a much higher testosterone:epitestosterone ratio than anywhere else and Wlad uses this to cheat, but that's hearsay. True that, they see no wrong with double the Olympic 4:1 level and keep it at 8:1 before a B-Sample gets analysed. So innocent Wlad can have 8x more gear in his piss than an average human and still be clean. :thumb: No cheating here then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted August 5, 2016 Author Share Posted August 5, 2016 Re: Doping Charges For Tyson & Hughie Fury True that, they see no wrong with double the Olympic 4:1 level and keep it at 8:1 before a B-Sample gets analysed. So innocent Wlad can have 8x more gear in his piss than an average human and still be clean. :thumb: No cheating here then... A) You have no idea what his actual levels are, B) it's within the rules, so that's not cheating! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonRingRules Posted August 6, 2016 Share Posted August 6, 2016 Re: Doping Charges For Tyson & Hughie Fury --- Never seen a study mentioned about natural testa levels in men other than the generic average of 1.00 that sees black and whites incrementally above and Asians incrementally lower. Fact: There are many men naturally producing well over the average, but history, integrity, and education ain't on the nazi drug testing cartel agenda. Money and Power are their driving force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted August 6, 2016 Author Share Posted August 6, 2016 Re: Doping Charges For Tyson & Hughie Fury Fact: There are many men naturally producing well over the average, but history, integrity, and education ain't on the nazi drug testing cartel agenda. Money and Power are their driving force. Presumably this is why there is a Carbon Isotope Ratio test following an unexpected result, therefore allowing the identification of individual metabolites. Athletics has the biological passport to provide measurable averages for each individual - if boxing actually wanted to do something about drugs, it could do worse than start with that. But of course there is no agreed-upon universal body to provide testing, so that won't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_budweiser Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 Re: Doping Charges For Tyson & Hughie Fury If they get found guilty his whole team should hang there heads in shame. Releasing statements saying Hughie is fatigued from a spot problem when really it was a drug problem. Embarrassing for boxing and if found guilty they should get life bans. No place in our sport for CHEATS! -n Don't they realise there playing with peoples life's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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