The_budweiser Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Rocco wasn't a world beater, but, I was impressed with Burn's tactics and how he applied them. He changed his style and some minor adjustments helped him win the fight. I hope he uses them in his next fight. Few things I noticed: After throwing 1-4 punch combos, he either got on his bike with his impressive footwork or he tied his opponent up. So many times he stays in the pocket and gets punished unnecessary - he also didn't sit on the ropes which he has a tendency of doing. I do think O'Conner should of pulled Burns up on the repeated arm clinches and should of definitely took a point off for the low blow in round 3. It may have not been deliberate but it was a nasty shot. Burns made history by becoming Scotland’s first three-weight world champion. He is only the third British fighter to achieve this. Ricky Burns 2016 Duke McKenzie 1980s Bob Fitzimmons 1903 Scottish newspapers are claiming Ricky Burns as a world class boxer, do you agree? 2010 Roman Martinez - WBO World super featherweight title 2012 Paulus Moses - WBO World lightweight title 2016 Michele Di Rocco - WBA World super lightweight title Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonRingRules Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Re: Is Ricky Burns a World Class boxer? --- No shame in being in the lower class of top fighters. Like I mentioned, he should consolidate his recent success and retire with some dignity. He's right at his expiration date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoztheMadman Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Re: Is Ricky Burns a World Class boxer? Rocco wasn't a world beater, but, I was impressed with Burn's tactics and how he applied them. He changed his style and some minor adjustments helped him win the fight. I hope he uses them in his next fight. Few things I noticed: After throwing 1-4 punch combos, he either got on his bike with his impressive footwork or he tied his opponent up. So many times he stays in the pocket and gets punished unnecessary - he also didn't sit on the ropes which he has a tendency of doing. I do think O'Conner should of pulled Burns up on the repeated arm clinches and should of definitely took a point off for the low blow in round 3. It may have not been deliberate but it was a nasty shot. Burns made history by becoming Scotland’s first three-weight world champion. He is only the third British fighter to achieve this. Ricky Burns 2016 Duke McKenzie 1980s Bob Fitzimmons 1903 Scottish newspapers are claiming Ricky Burns as a world class boxer, do you agree? 2010 Roman Martinez - WBO World super featherweight title 2012 Paulus Moses - WBO World lightweight title 2016 Michele Di Rocco - WBA World super lightweight title You making me depressed. Has mr. Bums really done that? Then again, they are paper titles...you know, you really cannot compare those achievements of Fitzsimmons and McKenzie to Burns'. Just can't be done. Nowadays, it's easier to win a world title than it was before, ESPECIALLY in Fitzy's time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pittbox Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Re: Is Ricky Burns a World Class boxer? He achieved more than his abilities suggest. He looks good in super lightweight, though. I think he can make some defences with good promoting ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ton Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Re: Is Ricky Burns a World Class boxer? He achieved more than his abilities suggest. He looks good in super lightweight, though. I think he can make some defences with good promoting ;-) Think this is a fair assessment! A case of a decent boxer, promoted well and put into title opportunities and to be fair to him has taken them. Not sure he would be considered a great by any stretch of the imagination, but he's had a good career. Could probably be carefully handed 2/3 winnable defences (pay days), but ultimately he will come up against someone who is just better, or relenquish his title (maybe a good way to retire). Oh, and he certainly isn't the only British fighter to overachieve in recent years, during these "British Booms" of world Champs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxeador Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Re: Is Ricky Burns a World Class boxer? Of course he is. He is now a 3-time world champion. That´s world class isn´t that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_budweiser Posted June 1, 2016 Author Share Posted June 1, 2016 Re: Is Ricky Burns a World Class boxer? You making me depressed. Has mr. Bums really done that? Then again, they are paper titles...you know, you really cannot compare those achievements of Fitzsimmons and McKenzie to Burns'. Just can't be done. Nowadays, it's easier to win a world title than it was before, ESPECIALLY in Fitzy's time. What makes a world class fighter in your eyes Boz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoztheMadman Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Re: Is Ricky Burns a World Class boxer? What makes a world class fighter in your eyes Boz? Someone who doesn't lose to guys like Beltran and Johanneson. Hehe...really, I think Burns is decent but he is mostly about toughness and durability and workrate. He doesn't really have that great punching power but he can wear you out. However, I don't like what he did in some fights, like against Katsidis, where he just leaned against the ropes and used his physical advantages to win. A world class fighter doesn't need that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Re: Is Ricky Burns a World Class boxer? I don't like what he did in some fights, like against Katsidis, where he just leaned against the ropes and used his physical advantages to win. That's not how he fought Katsidis at all - he was popping the jab all the way through that fight, landing solid sbhots to the body and harp uppercuts to the head. He would lean on or spin off the ropes if Katsidis closed the distance before he could get out of the way, but mostly he fought a mobile fight designed to keep Katsidis from bullying him, which is exactly the way you beat a fighter like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoztheMadman Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Re: Is Ricky Burns a World Class boxer? That's not how he fought Katsidis at all - he was popping the jab all the way through that fight, landing solid sbhots to the body and harp uppercuts to the head. He would lean on or spin off the ropes if Katsidis closed the distance before he could get out of the way, but mostly he fought a mobile fight designed to keep Katsidis from bullying him, which is exactly the way you beat a fighter like that. But he didn't BEAT him, not in my view. ;-) I had it a draw because Burns just did too little work, offensive work. As you said, he was having success jabbing but thats all he did. You don't just win a fight by jabbing, not in my eyes. Katsidis might have been not landing too much but he was the one forcing the fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted June 1, 2016 Share Posted June 1, 2016 Re: Is Ricky Burns a World Class boxer? Katsidis might have been not landing too much but he was the one forcing the fight. I've never understood that, it's the Las Vegas judging approach - if the other bloke is landing his shots and you're not, it doesn't matter how forcefully you're walking forwards into his fists, you're losing. I suspect this boils down to the fact you don't like Burns and do like Katsidis though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
repsac Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 Re: Is Ricky Burns a World Class boxer? Ricky looked good. But i have to wonder what the qualifications were for Di Rocco to be a world title challenger. have arms? √ weigh 140lbs? √ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pittbox Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 Re: Is Ricky Burns a World Class boxer? Di Rocco looked like he had fought for a first time with a fighter that throws jabs. Absolutely zero defence and he has over 40 pro fights and was the EBU champion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoztheMadman Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 Re: Is Ricky Burns a World Class boxer? I've never understood that, it's the Las Vegas judging approach - if the other bloke is landing his shots and you're not, it doesn't matter how forcefully you're walking forwards into his fists, you're losing. I suspect this boils down to the fact you don't like Burns and do like Katsidis though. No, I have appreciation for the fighter that actually tries to make it a fight and not for the fighter that just looks to get away as easy as possiblel. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonRingRules Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Re: Is Ricky Burns a World Class boxer? --- More relevant ? might be if Brooksie is a world class fighter? Jesse Vargas says he signed to fight him in the UK and knows he needs to knock him out, but silence is golden as far as public response. The only good fighter Brooksie beat was a dubious lackluster defensive performance against Porter that he has yet to rise above. Ya think potential opponents might be leery of being knifed by his associates? He seems to exist in a vacuum of his own making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pittbox Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Re: Is Ricky Burns a World Class boxer? Dan Ion , Bizier and Gavin aren't top fighters, but the way Brook beat them up was extremely impressive. I think I like his wins slightly more than Thurman's ones at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_budweiser Posted June 3, 2016 Author Share Posted June 3, 2016 Re: Is Ricky Burns a World Class boxer? No, I have appreciation for the fighter that actually tries to make it a fight and not for the fighter that just looks to get away as easy as possiblel. ;-) Doesn't ever boxer want make it easy as possible in the ring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ton Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Re: Is Ricky Burns a World Class boxer? Someone who doesn't lose to guys like Beltran and Johanneson. Hehe...really, I think Burns is decent but he is mostly about toughness and durability and workrate. He doesn't really have that great punching power but he can wear you out. However, I don't like what he did in some fights, like against Katsidis, where he just leaned against the ropes and used his physical advantages to win. A world class fighter doesn't need that. Cheating bastard!!! :rant: :haha: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Layton Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Re: Is Ricky Burns a World Class boxer? simple really, if he stays at 140 he's done for, most top guys beat him, he could make a dent at 135 imo though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoztheMadman Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Re: Is Ricky Burns a World Class boxer? Cheating bastard!!! :rant: :haha: Ahem. Not funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoztheMadman Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Re: Is Ricky Burns a World Class boxer? Doesn't ever boxer want make it easy as possible in the ring? I don't know...most yes, not every. I don't think so. Some want to know they have been in a fight. Like Chico Corrales for instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Re: Is Ricky Burns a World Class boxer? Ahem. Not funny. I laughed:haha: I like a bit of a tear-up, I think we all do, but I wouldn't penalise someone for boxing instead of brawling, so long as they don't do what Lara does so often, and throw rounds away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerald Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Re: Is Ricky Burns a World Class boxer? I would charitably say he's borderline - but it's difficult to know how much this last fight showed us, partly because of the level Di Rocco had been fighting at up to now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoztheMadman Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Re: Is Ricky Burns a World Class boxer? I would charitably say he's borderline - but it's difficult to know how much this last fight showed us, partly because of the level Di Rocco had been fighting at up to now. Well thats the point. A British fighter tears up some guy who has only fought at home and has an inflated record-the media just makes a hype out of it and not least the commentators. They proclaim it a great victory. I am so sick of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerald Posted June 4, 2016 Share Posted June 4, 2016 Re: Is Ricky Burns a World Class boxer? Well thats the point. A British fighter tears up some guy who has only fought at home and has an inflated record-the media just makes a hype out of it and not least the commentators. They proclaim it a great victory. I am so sick of that. Agree - this happens a lot and it's frustrating. Another case where I just don't think the sport helps itself recruit the casual fan. Commentators have got a responsibility to represent what's going on in the ring faithfully and not construct a misleading narrative which artificially inflates the reputation of 'house' fighters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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