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Julian Jackson was number 1 for me. Ruben Olivares and Archie Moore had so many KO's but are we talking about one punch KO artists or just hardest hitters? Edwin Valero's record is unique, as the only champion to retire undefeated with every fight on his record as a stoppage. Wlifredo Gomez had 17 world title defences at super bantam...all by KO, which is a record in all weight divisions.

Carlos Zarate was 55 and 0 with 54 stoppages when he fought and lost to Gomez, but the amount of stoppages is not what makes you a massive puncher, it is the quality and toughness of the guys you KO.

There have been ton's of guys with incredible KO records, but their opponents were usually hand picked, and no one was surprised when they were KO'd.

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Earnie Shavers.

The Hawk

Mike Tyson

Butterbean. (I'm serious)

Possibly Wilder. (Time will tell.

You need to be more specific when you say the hawk, as you may mean Julian Jackson, or Aaron Pryor.

Also, I don't think you get the pound for pound thing, seeing as you have listed 4 out of 5 as heavyweights......and butterbean is one of the most ridiculous inclusions to any pound for pound list that I could ever imagine. Did he even KO one decent opponent? He couldn't even KO 52 year old Holmes!

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Jackson, of course.

 

And Butterbean had an insanely powerful OH right. Sadly, he didn't have the stamina, nor the nimbleness of foot, to always deliver it against really good opponents. Plus, he telegraphed it like it was morse code. It was still crazy powerful. The quastion wasn't "who were the most devestating (or effective) punchers," just who were the hardest hitters.

 

 

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Oh, and just because it's "P4P" doesn't mean the top guys CAN'T be HW. Perhaps YOU don't get it. ;-)

 

 

It's all good though. P4P list are silly to me, but I get why some folks enjoy them.

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Jackson, of course.

 

And Butterbean had an insanely powerful OH right. Sadly, he didn't have the stamina, nor the nimbleness of foot, to always deliver it against really good opponents. Plus, he telegraphed it like it was morse code. It was still crazy powerful. The quastion wasn't "who were the most devestating (or effective) punchers," just who were the hardest hitters.

 

 

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Oh, and just because it's "P4P" doesn't mean the top guys CAN'T be HW. Perhaps YOU don't get what it. ;-)

 

 

It's all good though. P4P list are silly to me, but I get why some folks enjoy them.

 

No, I really do understand the definition of pound for pound, hence my list. I could post thousands of similar KO's to the one you have posted of butterbean, like those of Alex Stewart, or Mark Wills v Greg Page, but ANYONE could KO guys that they were supposed to KO, and butterbean did just that.

You may have well have just listed the heavies you considered the hardest hitters, with Jackson thrown in, to show you knew what pound for pound meant.

You admitted P4P was a silly concept to you, which is probably why, you did not put much thought into it.

As I said, bean could not even KO a 52 year old, so he can't have been that devastating.

I could make a massive list of heavies that hit harder than bean, and hundreds more if we did what we were supposed to, and did it on a pound for pound basis.

Nice chatting though;-)

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Shavers, Julian Jackson, Tyson, Dempsey and of the little guys...lets say Carbajal.

 

Hey Boz, do you not follow older boxers? Ruben Olivares had 79 KO's out of 89 wins.

Tyson wasn't as hard a puncher as people think. If you watch his fights against decent opponents, he does not knock anyone out cold. Spinks was a light heavy, Holmes was really old.

He normally was battering people until the ref stepped in. Watch his KO of Pinklon Thomas, he hit him with everything, and he still got up! Carl Williams and Ruddock both had very weak chins, yet he did not even KO them. When Julian Jackson KO'd someone, they were flattened, ask Herol Graham, Wayne Powell, Dennis Milton, Terry Norris etc. Shavers for sure. Dempsey was rumoured to have had a bit of help in his gloves, on some occasions.

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Hey Boz, do you not follow older boxers? Ruben Olivares had 79 KO's out of 89 wins.

Tyson wasn't as hard a puncher as people think. If you watch his fights against decent opponents, he does not knock anyone out cold. Spinks was a light heavy, Holmes was really old.

He normally was battering people until the ref stepped in. Watch his KO of Pinklon Thomas, he hit him with everything, and he still got up! Carl Williams and Ruddock both had very weak chins, yet he did not even KO them. When Julian Jackson KO'd someone, they were flattened, ask Herol Graham, Wayne Powell, Dennis Milton, Terry Norris etc. Shavers for sure. Dempsey was rumoured to have had a bit of help in his gloves, on some occasions.

 

Actually, The Orchid Man, Georges Carpentier was a very heavy and hard hitter. He shook Dempsey twice but injured his hand. He was a natural light heavy but could knock out heavyweights, same as Jack Delaney. Oh, sure I follow old guys and Olivares, yeah, he was some puncher. But the one I always remember of the tiny guys is Carbajal, because of that ko of Chiquita Gonzalez. Amazing ko.

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Hey Boz, do you not follow older boxers? Ruben Olivares had 79 KO's out of 89 wins.

Tyson wasn't as hard a puncher as people think. If you watch his fights against decent opponents, he does not knock anyone out cold. Spinks was a light heavy, Holmes was really old.

He normally was battering people until the ref stepped in. Watch his KO of Pinklon Thomas, he hit him with everything, and he still got up! Carl Williams and Ruddock both had very weak chins, yet he did not even KO them. When Julian Jackson KO'd someone, they were flattened, ask Herol Graham, Wayne Powell, Dennis Milton, Terry Norris etc. Shavers for sure. Dempsey was rumoured to have had a bit of help in his gloves, on some occasions.

 

Tyson was an extremely hard puncher he Ko'd many solid fighters. To say Holmes was old is to ignore that he then went the distance with noted punchers Ray Mercer and Oliver McCall. Alex Stewart had a very good chin and got smashed in a round by Tyson. Alex is a very underrated fighter. Tyson destroyed Tony Tubbs - who else did that?

Mike Tyson hit as hard as everyone says - that's a fact. He was a beast.

 

People keep saying about Julian Jackson but if we use your criteria for how good fighters were, I don't see that many solid chinned opponents on his record that he KO'd. Terry Norris wasn't noted for his chin (very talented fighter), Herol Graham wasn't noted for his chin. Mike McCallum and Gerald McClellan could take a punch and they weren't Ko'd by Julian Jackson. He also couldn't KO Thomas Tate, who got done in two rounds by Roy Jones Jnr.

So, if you do as you say and "watch his fights against decent opponents" maybe you will learn from yourself.

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Dempsey

Dempsey is my favourite heavyweight of all time - just destruction in human form. I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Wlad - he may not be terribly exciting, but when he lands, people either know about it or they find out when they wake up.

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Dempsey is my favourite heavyweight of all time - just destruction in human form. I'm surprised nobody's mentioned Wlad - he may not be terribly exciting, but when he lands, people either know about it or they find out when they wake up.

 

Yeah, mine too. Manassa Mauler was incredible. :) Wlad has very good power yes, but because of his static style, he has rarely been mentioned in the same manner as Dempsey, Tyson and Liston.

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Tyson was an extremely hard puncher he Ko'd many solid fighters. To say Holmes was old is to ignore that he then went the distance with noted punchers Ray Mercer and Oliver McCall. Alex Stewart had a very good chin and got smashed in a round by Tyson. Alex is a very underrated fighter. Tyson destroyed Tony Tubbs - who else did that?

Mike Tyson hit as hard as everyone says - that's a fact. He was a beast.

 

People keep saying about Julian Jackson but if we use your criteria for how good fighters were, I don't see that many solid chinned opponents on his record that he KO'd. Terry Norris wasn't noted for his chin (very talented fighter), Herol Graham wasn't noted for his chin. Mike McCallum and Gerald McClellan could take a punch and they weren't Ko'd by Julian Jackson. He also couldn't KO Thomas Tate, who got done in two rounds by Roy Jones Jnr.

So, if you do as you say and "watch his fights against decent opponents" maybe you will learn from yourself.

Ok let us look at some of your points. Graham was not noted for his chin? Jackson was the first to KO him, he is the only man credited with a KO against him. The other two were TKO's at the end of his career. Not only was he the first and only man to KO him, he also did it as a boxer not deemed fit to box in the U.K, due to having detached retina problems, hence the bout taking place in Spain.

Furthermore he also produced the KO moving backward, extremely difficult to do, and you lose lots of leverage, but he knocked him out cold, before he hit the deck, with one of the most impressive one punch KO's ever.

You said he couldn't KO McCallum, firstly, he was very inexperienced when he fought Mike, and had faced no one close to his class, and secondly, NO ONE stopped McCallum, not even when he fought on right through to cruiser weight.

Thomas Tate was a full middleweight and was knocked out by a peak Jones, who was a naturally bigger man than Julian, who had moved up from jnr middle and was past his best and had eye problems. Gerald McClellan was a huge middle, and his intention was to move up to light heavy, and again, it was when Jackson was near the end of his career, with bad eyes.

I have been told that I am too sensitive by a mod on here, but you seem to have taken my observations personally, based on the fact that you are obviously a Tyson fan. You were also one of the guys who used the butting story, as justification for Tysons abhorent behaviour, and have probably built up an agenda against me, as I have proved as far as is humanly possible, that it was not the case.

Tyson was not a massive one punch KO artist Rob. He finished opponents with fast, brutal combinations, and the ref often jumped in. Look how many times he hit Thomas and Bruno etc.

Alex Stewart couldn't have had a "very good chin" seeing as he was stopped by two former light heavyweights, plus another factor in his quick loss to Tyson was one that happened a lot.....he was terrified, just like Bruno, Micheal Spinks and many others were. Who else destroyed Tubbs? you asked....Seldon, Ellis and Okine, although Tubbs was past his best when floored 3 times by him.

Also being old myself, I know peoples reflexes slow greatly, when you age, so it was because Tyson was very fast (compared to McCall, and Mercer, plus he was more accurate) also Holmes's arm got caught in the ropes, as he tried to punch back, and you simply cannot take the same punches when you get older, as is evidenced by the fact that Holmes got up from the hardest heavyweight puncher ever, when he was young (Earnie Shavers) and that is also why Ray Leonard was able to take the punches of a peak Hearns, and Duran, yet was dropped twice by a slower Hearns in the rematch, twice by Norris and stopped by light punching Camacho.

Honestly Rob I am not wanting to fall out with you, and I know it is annoying to have your idols exposed or criticized, but I am not saying things to annoy people, apart from LRR's, as he does exactly that to me.

Peace

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Rocky Marciano...that guy could effin hit too! He just destroyed Jersey Joe Walcott with one punch. Before that he had been on the receiving end. And Walcott could take a pretty good shot too. But that one punch just rendered him totally senseless. Rocky's power and strength for his size was just scary! :boxing:

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Rocky wasn't particularly light for his era though was a little shorter than most (maye an inch or two). Most of his major rivals (Charles, Matthews, La Starza, Moore, Layne) weighed about the same. Walcott was 10-12 lbs heavier but nothing significant. Cockell had a decent weight advantage but most of that was fat. Tough, relentless fighter though.

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