chaconfan Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 I would like to know who you guys think was worthy of a world title but never won one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_budweiser Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Re: Who should have won a world title but did not? What comes to mind was Dereck Chisora vs Robert Helenius - was that for a world title? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Re: Who should have won a world title but did not? What comes to mind was Dereck Chisora vs Robert Helenius - was that for a world title? European - Helenius was the holder, deserved to lose. Cable will tell you it's because he was forced to fight with a dodgy shoulder - I'll tell you that's his problem and he still lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cableaddict Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) Re: Who should have won a world title but did not? Denis Lebedev should have had the WBO (i think) CW title, when he was blatantly robbed vs Marco Huck. Ken Norton deserved a win over Ali in their third fight. If you include the Ams, then Cammarelle should have won the SHW gold in the London Olympics, over AJ. Edited February 21, 2016 by Cableaddict Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selij Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Re: Who should have won a world title but did not? I would like to know who you guys think was worthy of a world title but never won one. Tony Sibson, without a doubt with correct management in this day and age, would have deffo won a version of a world title. Lost to Marvellous for the WBA and WBC World Middleweight titles, stepped up to light heavy and lost to Denis Andries too. And in a final escapade stepped back down again and lost the IBF World Middleweight title to Frank Tate and retired, bless him. Fantastic East Midlands boxer, totally mismanaged. http://www.champsuk.com/products/images/1099.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selij Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Re: Who should have won a world title but did not? If you include the Ams, then Cammarelle should have won the SHW gold in the London Olympics, over AJ. Not a fucking chance :nono:........beat him in 2011 at the AIBA and convincingly beat him again at London 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Re: Who should have won a world title but did not? Not a fucking chance :nono:........beat him in 2011 at the AIBA and convincingly beat him again at London 2012 I was about to say I thought Joshua was lucky to get to the final but won it fairly convincingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
repsac Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Re: Who should have won a world title but did not? Eder Cherry deserved to have the IBF belt around his waist after his fight with Pedraza. I'm not saying Cherry was/is great, just that he deserved it on that night. No list is complete unless Sam Langford is mentioned. Howard Davis as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cableaddict Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Re: Who should have won a world title but did not? Blind British love knows no bounds! :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaconfan Posted February 21, 2016 Author Share Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) Re: Who should have won a world title but did not? Blind British love knows no bounds! :laugh: Maybe you misunderstood the question. There is no mention of British, in the question posed. Unless you are replying to the comments about AJ as an amateur? One of my answers would have been Ruben Castillo. How unlucky can you get? He had to fight three of the best ever champs, Arguello, Sanchez and J.C.Chavez for three of his title shots and the one guy he had a good chance against, was on his best form ever, Laporte. Edited February 21, 2016 by chaconfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaconfan Posted February 21, 2016 Author Share Posted February 21, 2016 Re: Who should have won a world title but did not? Denis Lebedev should have had the WBO (i think) CW title, when he was blatantly robbed vs Marco Huck. Ken Norton deserved a win over Ali in their third fight. If you include the Ams, then Cammarelle should have won the SHW gold in the London Olympics, over AJ. If I included amateurs, then Roy Jones and Holyfield would be at the top of my list. I totally agree about Norton, and would have given him all three decisions if I were a judge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaconfan Posted February 21, 2016 Author Share Posted February 21, 2016 Re: Who should have won a world title but did not? Tony Sibson, without a doubt with correct management in this day and age, would have deffo won a version of a world title. Lost to Marvellous for the WBA and WBC World Middleweight titles, stepped up to light heavy and lost to Denis Andries too. And in a final escapade stepped back down again and lost the IBF World Middleweight title to Frank Tate and retired, bless him. Fantastic East Midlands boxer, totally mismanaged. http://www.champsuk.com/products/images/1099.jpg I was a big Sibson fan. He was a really quiet, humble man, but a powerhouse in the ring. I always remember Minter saying that if Hagler had not come along, then he would still be champ......he must have suffered memory loss after Sibson flattened him, or maybe he would have avoided a rematch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 Re: Who should have won a world title but did not? I couldn't think of anyone for this thread, and then I realised - me! I should have won at least one world title, if I'd obnly learnt to box, had a measure of amateur success, turned professional, climbed the ranks and paid the right bribes. I coulda been a contenda! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaconfan Posted February 21, 2016 Author Share Posted February 21, 2016 Re: Who should have won a world title but did not? I couldn't think of anyone for this thread, and then I realised - me! I should have won at least one world title, if I'd obnly learnt to box, had a measure of amateur success, turned professional, climbed the ranks and paid the right bribes. I coulda been a contenda! No pal, you would also need the right management, to get you fights against names the public recognize, but were from lighter weights or washed up....or both. Again love the sarcastic wit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Re: Who should have won a world title but did not? Ike Ibeabuchi and Kirkland Laing had the talent to be World champions but not the right mentality. Ron Lyle could've been a champion in a different era. Edner Cherry is a great pick - was robbed against Pedraza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaconfan Posted February 22, 2016 Author Share Posted February 22, 2016 Re: Who should have won a world title but did not? Ibeabuchi was incredible! His ten round fight with Tua had more punches than any heavyweight fight in history, even though many others went three extra rounds! His chin was granite, his will, tremendous, his power, terrific, he had it all, in the ring, but like Tony Ayala, he had an evil side to him, that derailed his career. Laing had natural skill, but was ridiculously unprofessional. He couldn't beat Colin Jones though. Ron Lyle KO'd Shavers, almost KO'd Foreman, and gave Ali a decent fight. If he had not been in prison, he could have been a champ, in his own era, let alone a different one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
likeli3000 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Re: Who should have won a world title but did not? kevin mitchell he was one of the most naturally talent UK boxers this country has ever produced. shame about his party boy lad lifestyle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonRingRules Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Re: Who should have won a world title but did not? --- Little known that Sam Langford actually did win a portion of the heavyweight in an epic 20 round fight with Joe Jeannette in Paris. Langford was in full prime and dominated Joe who took some unholy punishment. Fight came off the day after Jack Johnson's travesty with Battling Jim Johnson where Jack quit on his stool and was given a draw. The French authorities stripped him immediately because he was supposed to defend against Langford, not Battling Jim who I think was scheduled to meet Jeannette. And the French being the French, they later stripped Langford, for what purpose I don't know other than he fought a journeyman in Paris shortly thereafter which may have upset them. At any rate, the Black and White Heavyweight titles that others had over the years and defended were about as valid as the individual ABC titles we have today. David Tua should have held a belt but was mismanaged. He ran through future titlists like a knife through butter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Re: Who should have won a world title but did not? --- Little known that Sam Langford actually did win a portion of the heavyweight in an epic 20 round fight with Joe Jeannette in Paris. Langford was in full prime and dominated Joe who took some unholy punishment. Fight came off the day after Jack Johnson's travesty with Battling Jim Johnson where Jack quit on his stool and was given a draw. The French authorities stripped him immediately because he was supposed to defend against Langford, not Battling Jim who I think was scheduled to meet Jeannette. And the French being the French, they later stripped Langford, for what purpose I don't know other than he fought a journeyman in Paris shortly thereafter which may have upset them. At any rate, the Black and White Heavyweight titles that others had over the years and defended were about as valid as the individual ABC titles we have today. David Tua should have held a belt but was mismanaged. He ran through future titlists like a knife through butter. Excellent points, as always. The likes of Harry Wills get ignored due to a lack of knowledge. Agree about David Tua. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Re: Who should have won a world title but did not? Rocky Juarez? Satoshi Hosono (I swear he WOULD have been the one to beat John had it not been for that head clash, I can't believe Ohashi didn't put up BIG bucks to get a rematch, instead John went and got stopped by Vetyeka in his next bout) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Re: Who should have won a world title but did not? Rocky Juarez? Good call! I'd forgotten about that - Barrera's apologetic interview after the draw was announced, saying Juarez beat him and deserved to win....only to be interrupted with an amended scorecard that made Barrera the winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaconfan Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 Re: Who should have won a world title but did not? Good call! I'd forgotten about that - Barrera's apologetic interview after the draw was announced, saying Juarez beat him and deserved to win....only to be interrupted with an amended scorecard that made Barrera the winner. What a revelation that is! A boxer saying that the other guy should have won, is as rare as boobs in a Disney cartoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ton Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Re: Who should have won a world title but did not? Ibeabuchi was the name that sprang to for me....Oh and also Gav in that particular scenario he painted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaconfan Posted February 23, 2016 Author Share Posted February 23, 2016 Re: Who should have won a world title but did not? Ibeabuchi was the name that sprang to for me....Oh and also Gav in that particular scenario he painted! Ha ha, good one. Gav for champ! Lets get him in the gym. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Re: Who should have won a world title but did not? What a revelation that is! A boxer saying that the other guy should have won, is as rare as boobs in a Disney cartoon. Richie Woodhall vs Catley did it too, he looked disgusted at the win Sent from my PE-TL10 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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