George Foreman - Monster (HD)

[reznick]

 

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[gavpowell]

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Wonderful stuff, thanks.

 

This is the first time I've seen Foreman vs Moorer, and my first reaction was "You gotta be kidding me - that's got to be a dive!"

 

A quick search turned up others who felt the same way, but then I couldn't get past the question "Why would Moorer take a dive? How could it possibly be worth it?" That and the fact Foreman never seemed to need speed to knock you the fuck out, tells me I'm likely wrong and it was just the right punch on the right chin.

[robprosser]

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There's no way it was a dive. Moorer had a weak chin at HW and Foreman caught him flush. You can't fake the glassy eyes and blood coming from his mouth.

[LondonRingRules]

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--- That was one of George's snappier 1-2s, but the previous 2rds he landed some solid rights that Moorer shook off.

 

To please Loony Teddy, Moorer was stupidly going for the KO. Poor Bradley to soon be undone by that dummy.

 

Tyson was smart to duck George. Had mr. Field ducked him, likely would've had better outcomes and longer prime.

 

Great video btw.

[reznick]

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You can tell it's not a dive because when Moorer is on the ground, he starts bleeding profusely onto the ring.

[gavpowell]

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Good points on the blood - I hadn't noticed that until you guys said.

[chaconfan]

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Never seen such amatuerish punches though.

[reznick]

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Never seen such amatuerish punches though.

 

Which punches look amateurish to you? Because he's widely regarded as one of the best punchers in boxing history.

[chaconfan]

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Which punches look amateurish to you? Because he's widely regarded as one of the best punchers in boxing history.

He is widley regarded as one of the hardest punchers in history. In answer to your question, virtually all of them. Anyone who looked at that compilation, who knows boxing, will clearly see, that he is wild, and often leaving himself wide open, also he leans very far forward sometimes. He was a monster, no argument there. He was effective too, but he definitely looks amatuerish on a lot of the clips.

Not hating on him, just making an observation. He looked far better when he fought Cooney. He was old and fat, but his finishing combo, was awesome, everything landed.

[reznick]

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I don't see it that way. To me, conventional tactics are employed by boxers to enable themselves to do things that Foreman can do naturally. He might look different than others, but that doesn't make him a worse puncher. In fact, he has one of the best knockout records in history, and wiped out legends in 2 rounds.

 

I think 99% of boxers punch sloppy compared to Foreman!

[chaconfan]

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I don't see it that way. To me, conventional tactics are employed by boxers to enable themselves to do things that Foreman can do naturally. He might look different than others, but that doesn't make him a worse puncher. In fact, he has one of the best knockout records in history, and wiped out legends in 2 rounds.

 

I think 99% of boxers punch sloppy compared to Foreman!

 

I already acknowledged that he has one of the best KO percentages in heavyweight history, however that fact does not have any baring on the argument. It depends who you fight and when you fight them.

His two biggest wins were against the very weak chinned Norton, and little Joe Frazier, who Bonavena easily decked. He beat lots of nobodies if we are honest, specially in his comeback, where he fought some very little guys like J.B Williamson who was a former light heavy, as was 5ft 7 Qawi. Even his biggest win in his comeback, was against a chinny ex light heavyweight (Moorer)

Mate, if you watch that compilation and think that 99% of boxers are sloppy compared to Foreman, then you really need to study boxing more. He is literally throwing himself across the ring, he is that wild, on some of those KO's. There are sharp counter punchers, like a peak Donald Curry. Fast, accurate punchers like Meldrick Taylor, fast power punchers like Tyson, then there are clubbers like early George Foreman. Yes he could knock out a bull, but early Foreman was definitely not refined at all. Watch someone like Dokes or Ali early, then compare them to these clips. Lastly you said "conventional tactics are employed by boxers to enable themselves to do things that Foreman can do naturally", but I have no idea as to what you are referring to, as ANYONE can throw wild arm punches, let alone pro boxers.

[reznick]

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I think weak chinned Norton and a little Frazier doesnt do those victories justice. Especially the Frazier one.

Of course there will be weaknesses in his resume, just like every other boxer.

 

He doesnt move his body as sharp as other fighters, which helps him create more power in his punches. And since the end result is positive, it shouldn't reflect negatively on him.

[LondonRingRules]

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--- That's it in a nutshell. Foreman is beyond ordinary mortals.

[chaconfan]

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I think weak chinned Norton and a little Frazier doesnt do those victories justice. Especially the Frazier one.

Of course there will be weaknesses in his resume, just like every other boxer.

 

He doesnt move his body as sharp as other fighters, which helps him create more power in his punches. And since the end result is positive, it shouldn't reflect negatively on him.

No being argumentative for the sake of being just that, but part of what you just said does not hold up to scrutiny. How does not moving his body as sharply as other fighters, help him create more power? Power is generated sometimes through, speed, sometimes by twisting the waist in time with the right twist of the foot position, it also helps if you have heavy hands, for example a sledge hammer hits harder than a tack hammer, but by being cumbersome and stiff ( which is why Ali called him the mummy) and just clubbing with arms only, would not help generate MORE power. He had great success with what he did, and he was devastatingly powerful, but as I originally stated, he threw amatuerish punches.

Frazier WAS a small heavyweight, much smaller than Foreman, and he did not have a great chin, so he was bound to get destroyed.

Norton was put down three times and staggered twice more then stopped by 188lb Garcia, so again he was never going to last with George.

Frank Bruno had lots of KO's too as did Alex Stewart and now Deontay Wilder, but people say they SHOULD be KOing their opponents, as they are nobodies. The same can be said of most of Foremans opponents. Lastly, once again I will make it clear, that I am not saying that Foreman was not powerful. Simply that he was wild and amatuerish, hence Lyle decking him, Young (who had no power) decking him, and most of all, by KOing himself, by amatuerishly, punching himself out in the first few rounds of a 15rd title fight v Ali.

[gaborr]

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Nem hogy érvelő kedvéért, hogy csak ezt, hanem része annak, amit mondott, nem tartja magát a vizsgálatot. Hogy nem mozog a teste olyan élesen, mint a többi harcosok, segít neki, hogy több erő? Teljesítmény keletkezik néha olyan, sebesség, néha csavarva a derék időben a megfelelő csavar a láb pozíció, ez is segít ha erős kezet, például egy kalapácsot üt nehezebb, mint a tack kalapács, hanem azáltal, hogy nehézkes és merev (ezért Ali nevezte a múmia), és csak szórakozóhelyekre karokkal csak, nem segít többet termelnek áramot. Ő nagy sikere volt, amit csinált, és ő ellenállhatatlanul erős, de ahogy eredetileg meghatározott, ő dobta amatuerish ütéseket.

Frazier egy kis nehézsúlyú, sokkal kisebb, mint Foreman, és ő nem egy nagy álla, így ő volt a kötött kap megsemmisült.

Norton volt, letette háromszor és lépcsőzetesen még kétszer, majd megállt 188lb Garcia, így ismét ő soha nem fog tartani George.

Frank Bruno volt sok KO túl ahogy Alex Stewart és most Deontay Wilder, de az emberek azt mondják, ezeket úgy kell KOing az ellenfél, mivel azok senkik. Ugyanez mondható el a legtöbb Foremans ellenfelek. Végül még egyszer világossá teszi, hogy nem azt mondom, hogy Foreman nem volt erős. Egyszerűen, hogy ő vad és amatuerish, így Lyle deszkázat neki, Young (aki nem volt jogosult) deszkázat neki, és ami a legfontosabb, a KOing maga által amatuerishly, lyukasztó magát az első néhány kört a 15rd cím küzdelem v Ali . [/ quote]

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[reznick]

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No being argumentative for the sake of being just that, but part of what you just said does not hold up to scrutiny. How does not moving his body as sharply as other fighters, help him create more power? Power is generated sometimes through, speed, sometimes by twisting the waist in time with the right twist of the foot position, it also helps if you have heavy hands, for example a sledge hammer hits harder than a tack hammer, but by being cumbersome and stiff ( which is why Ali called him the mummy) and just clubbing with arms only, would not help generate MORE power. He had great success with what he did, and he was devastatingly powerful, but as I originally stated, he threw amatuerish punches.

Frazier WAS a small heavyweight, much smaller than Foreman, and he did not have a great chin, so he was bound to get destroyed.

Norton was put down three times and staggered twice more then stopped by 188lb Garcia, so again he was never going to last with George.

Frank Bruno had lots of KO's too as did Alex Stewart and now Deontay Wilder, but people say they SHOULD be KOing their opponents, as they are nobodies. The same can be said of most of Foremans opponents. Lastly, once again I will make it clear, that I am not saying that Foreman was not powerful. Simply that he was wild and amatuerish, hence Lyle decking him, Young (who had no power) decking him, and most of all, by KOing himself, by amatuerishly, punching himself out in the first few rounds of a 15rd title fight v Ali.

 

 

I think Foreman sacrificed speed and agility to get more leverage behind his punches. I think there's a lot more "design" to his punching ability than he gets credit for.

[chaconfan]

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I think Foreman sacrificed speed and agility to get more leverage behind his punches. I think there's a lot more "design" to his punching ability than he gets credit for.

It would be more a case of him not having the speed, rather than sacrificing it. He was just a naturally strong puncher.

[BoztheMadman]

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He is widley regarded as one of the hardest punchers in history. In answer to your question, virtually all of them. Anyone who looked at that compilation, who knows boxing, will clearly see, that he is wild, and often leaving himself wide open, also he leans very far forward sometimes. He was a monster, no argument there. He was effective too, but he definitely looks amatuerish on a lot of the clips.

Not hating on him, just making an observation. He looked far better when he fought Cooney. He was old and fat, but his finishing combo, was awesome, everything landed.

It's true, Big George never was an accurate puncher. He would just swing around and see which punch connected. He just kept swinging until he had done the job. Fortunately for him, he had an iron chin. The way he punched after the comeback almost looked like a fisherman trying to catch a fish, rofl. Just taking big swings and trying to catch something on his gloves. :laugh: Like he was casting a net into the ocean...or river.

Edited February 22, 2016 by BoztheMadman

[chaconfan]

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It's true, Big George never was an accurate puncher. He would just swing around and see which punch connected. He just kept swinging until he had done the job. Fortunately for him, he had an iron chin. The way he punched after the comeback almost looked like a fisherman trying to catch a fish, rofl. Just taking big swings and trying to catch something on his gloves. :laugh: Like he was casting a net into the ocean...or river.

Looks like he was wading through that river too pal!

Thank you sooo much Boz. It is so refreshing to have someone actually agree with something I wrote for once. Specially a knowledgeable person.

[BoztheMadman]

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Looks like he was wading through that river too pal!

Thank you sooo much Boz. It is so refreshing to have someone actually agree with something I wrote for once. Specially a knowledgeable person.

Thank you! :thumb: And thanks for the compliment. Yeah, George was a sight in his late boxing days. :mlol:

[LondonRingRules]

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--- George an excellent boxer/puncher style in his comeback.

 

Always patient, balanced, a very steady walk down augmented by decent defense and always excellent timing/power. Only hindered by slow footwork and hand speed as he continued to age. Made a young buck Briggs turn tail and run for his last fight even as he lost the bogus political decision.

[chaconfan]

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Nem hogy érvelő kedvéért, hogy csak ezt, hanem része annak, amit mondott, nem tartja magát a vizsgálatot. Hogy nem mozog a teste olyan élesen, mint a többi harcosok, segít neki, hogy több erő? Teljesítmény keletkezik néha olyan, sebesség, néha csavarva a derék időben a megfelelő csavar a láb pozíció, ez is segít ha erős kezet, például egy kalapácsot üt nehezebb, mint a tack kalapács, hanem azáltal, hogy nehézkes és merev (ezért Ali nevezte a múmia), és csak szórakozóhelyekre karokkal csak, nem segít többet termelnek áramot. Ő nagy sikere volt, amit csinált, és ő ellenállhatatlanul erős, de ahogy eredetileg meghatározott, ő dobta amatuerish ütéseket.

Frazier egy kis nehézsúlyú, sokkal kisebb, mint Foreman, és ő nem egy nagy álla, így ő volt a kötött kap megsemmisült.

Norton volt, letette háromszor és lépcsőzetesen még kétszer, majd megállt 188lb Garcia, így ismét ő soha nem fog tartani George.

Frank Bruno volt sok KO túl ahogy Alex Stewart és most Deontay Wilder, de az emberek azt mondják, ezeket úgy kell KOing az ellenfél, mivel azok senkik. Ugyanez mondható el a legtöbb Foremans ellenfelek. Végül még egyszer világossá teszi, hogy nem azt mondom, hogy Foreman nem volt erős. Egyszerűen, hogy ő vad és amatuerish, így Lyle deszkázat neki, Young (aki nem volt jogosult) deszkázat neki, és ami a legfontosabb, a KOing maga által amatuerishly, lyukasztó magát az első néhány kört a 15rd cím küzdelem v Ali . [/ quote]

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I can't argue with that,or agree for that matter.....oh wait a minute, what is that you say? Babel fish?

[chaconfan]

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--- George an excellent boxer/puncher style in his comeback.

 

Always patient, balanced, a very steady walk down augmented by decent defense and always excellent timing/power. Only hindered by slow footwork and hand speed as he continued to age. Made a young buck Briggs turn tail and run for his last fight even as he lost the bogus political decision.

He was remarkably successful in his comeback, although he admitted himself that he very carefully selected his opponents, and if there was money to be made, who can blame him?

Briggs moved and jabbed, which were exactly the right tactics to use against a renowned monster puncher.

He definitely lost to Axel Schultz though, so it is swings and roundabouts. He was devastating against Frazier, Norton, Cooney, and even against Ali. If he would have had the stamina of Marciano, he would have eventually broke Ali's arms and ribs.

[WelshDevilRob]

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**Edited to embed video. Thanks Rez

 

This video is absolutely magnificent. Superb work, Rez.

 

What a fighter!

[reznick]

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This video is absolutely magnificent. Superb work, Rez.

 

What a fighter!

 

Cheers Rob! :)