WelshDevilRob Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Stanley Ketchel http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/Stanley_Ketchel_American_boxer_loc-crop.jpg/200px-Stanley_Ketchel_American_boxer_loc-crop.jpg Boxing Record: Fights: 60 Won: 51 Lost: 4 drawn: 4 Ko's: 48 Stanislaw Kiecał (September 14, 1886 – October 15, 1910), better known in the boxing world as Stanley Ketchel, was a Polish American boxer who became one of the greatest world middleweight champions. He was nicknamed the Michigan Assassin. Professional boxing career Only a middleweight, Ketchel was also known for taking on heavyweights who sometimes outweighed him by more than 30 pounds (14 kg). Ketchel used a very unusual method in his fights. He had a very close and loving relationship with his mother. It is rumored that before each of his fights, he would imagine that his opponent had insulted his mother; thus, he would be fighting with almost insane fury. He started boxing professionally in 1904 in Butte, Montana. In his first fight, Ketchel knocked out Kid Tracy in one round. In his second fight, he was beaten by decision in six by Maurice Thompson. He boxed his first 41 bouts in Montana, and had a record of 36 wins, two losses and three draws during that span. He lost once more and drew with Thompson, but beat Tom Kingsley, among others, before moving his campaign on to California in 1907. There, he won three fights that year, and drew one in Marysville against the man many considered the world's Middleweight champion, Joe Thomas. In his next bout, he and Thomas had a rematch, and Ketchel won, by knockout in 32 rounds. Ketchel was then recognized by many as the world's Middleweight champion. He finished the year by beating Thomas again, this time by decision. Middleweight Champion On February 8, 1908, Ketchel met the man who was generally recognized as the world's Middleweight champion, "Mike Twin Sullivan", knocking him out in the first round and winning general recognition as world Middleweight champion. Whether he became world champion against Thomas or against Mike Sullivan has always been up to debate, but the fact remains that it is Mike Sullivan and not Thomas who is historically remembered as a world champion. He proceeded to retain the title against Mike's twin brother, "Jack Twin Sullivan", also a former world champion, by a knockout in 20 rounds, against future world champion Billy Papke by decision in 10, against Hugo Kelly by a knockout in three, and against Thomas, by a knockout in two. Then, he lost the belt to Papke by a knockout in twelve, but he and Papke had an immediate rematch, and Ketchel regained the title when he beat Papke by a knockout in eleven in their third match. Ketchel began 1909 by fighting reigning light heavyweight champion "Philadelphia Jack O'Brien" with a no-decision in 10. A few weeks later, Ketchel had a rematch with O' Brien, knocking out Philadelphia Jack in three rounds. He beat Papke in their fourth bout by a decision in 20 rounds to retain the title, and then challenged Jack Johnson for the world's Heavyweight crown. Ketchel/Johnson http://cyberboxingzone.com/images/JackJohnson-StanleyKetchel-Corbis-1.jpg Ketchel's battle with Jack Johnson has been called by many a modern day "David and Goliath". In the 12th round Ketchel floored Johnson with a right hand. Johnson got up and knocked out Ketchel with a right uppercut. Ketchel showed no fear against his larger and stronger foe. He was knocked down several times in the fight and was punished yet kept coming back. Johnson said to his trainer seconds between rounds "That man isn't human." In round twelve of that fight, Ketchel reached Johnson with a right to the chin that sent Johnson to the canvas. The punch shocked Johnson on two levels. One, it came from a much smaller Ketchel. Two, it was rumored that Ketchel and Johnson when they agreed to the fight, they both agreed to take the fight the full 20 rounds and Ketchel would allow Johnson to win in the 20th. The reason for this was each man was interested in making as much money off the fight as possible. A 20 round fight would guarantee boxing fans would pay to go to local theatres to watch the replay of the fight. When Johnson deviated from the alleged plan of "no blood should be drawn," Ketchel, already bloodied, knocked Johnson down, then, in the 12th, Ketchel faced the alleged wrath of Jack Johnson. Upon regaining his feet, Jack Johnson knocked out Ketchel with a blow full in the mouth. Ketchel did not wake up for many minutes and some of his teeth were knocked out by the blow, some imbedded in Johnson's glove.[2] Murder The following year, 1910, Ketchel fought six times (including one exhibition), but his fast living had worn him down. Hoping for a rematch with Jack Johnson, Ketchel moved to the ranch of his friend, R.P. Dickerson, in Conway, Missouri, where he had hoped to regain his strength. Dickerson had just hired a cook, Goldie Smith, and a ranch hand, who Smith said was her husband, Walter Kurtz. Walter Kurtz turned out to be Walter Dipley. Walter Dipley and Goldie Smith were not married, and, in fact, had just met each other a month before Dickerson had hired them. After being upbraided by the "Michigan Assassin" for beating a horse on the morning of October 14, Dipley decided to get even with Ketchel by robbing him. The following morning Smith seated Ketchel at the breakfast table with his back to the door and Dipley, armed with a .22 caliber rifle, came up behind him and shouted, "Get your hands up!" Ketchel stood up and as he turned around, Dipley shot him. The bullet traveled from his shoulder into his lung and Ketchel fell to the floor mortally wounded. Dipley then took Ketchel's handgun and smashed Ketchel in the face with it. At the same time, Smith rifled Ketchel's pockets for his money. After promising to meet Goldie Smith later that night, Dipley ran from the ranch. Unaware that, as he lay dying, Ketchel told the former ranch foreman, C.E. Bailey, that Goldie Smith had robbed him, she told police officers that Ketchel had raped her and that that was the reason Dipley shot him. Her story fell apart and she admitted her complicity in the robbery but stated she did not know Dipley was going to kill the former middleweight champion. In an effort to save the young fighter's life, R.P. Dickerson chartered a special train to take Stanley Ketchel to a hospital in Springfield, Missouri. But Ketchel died at approximately 7 o'clock that night. His last words were: "I'm so tired. Take me home to mother." Dickerson also offered a $5,000 dead or alive reward (preferably dead) for Dipley, who was captured at a neighboring farmhouse the next day. Aftermath of Murder Both Walter Dipley and Goldie Smith were found guilty of murder and robbery at a jury trial in January 1911, and both were given a life sentence. Goldie Smith had her murder conviction overturned and she served 17 months for the robbery. Walter Dipley served 23 years before he was paroled. He died in 1956, 23 years after his release from prison. Source: wikipedia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted April 18, 2011 Author Share Posted April 18, 2011 Nominated by Crusader Stanley Ketchel "My spot is for Stanley Ketchel, a war machine on the ring, two time middleweight champ, a fighter that can kill people more than forty pounds too heavy for him an extraordinary career that only a premature death halted." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WelshDevilRob Posted April 18, 2011 Author Share Posted April 18, 2011 Fearless puncher! A Yes vote from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemurphy Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 I can't imagine a Hall of Fame without one of histories best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Yes, the perfect spot of the wild boxe, no fear and TNT in both hands !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapevine241 Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkeywater Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 No question about it, he's a must. A middleweight great who fought the toughest fighters of his era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallen Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Its a yes from me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 I hadn't realised Ketchel had achieved quite so much as he did. Remarkable career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted April 21, 2011 Author Share Posted April 21, 2011 Ketchel doing well only 1 No so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted April 30, 2011 Author Share Posted April 30, 2011 Also currently in need of your votes: Lennox Lewis: http://www.ringnews24boxingforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=10259 Pernell Whitaker: http://www.ringnews24boxingforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=10257 Alexis Arguello: http://www.ringnews24boxingforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=9975 Stanley Ketchel: http://www.ringnews24boxingforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=9972 Jeff Fenech: http://www.ringnews24boxingforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=9712 Jack 'Kid' Berg: http://www.ringnews24boxingforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=9973 Pete Sanstol: http://www.ringnews24boxingforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=9974 Ezzard Charles: http://www.ringnews24boxingforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=9519 Sam Langford: http://www.ringnews24boxingforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=9520 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londoner Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Definite yes. He is recognised as one of the greatest middleweight World champions, fought some great fighters of his era (including heavyweight legends Jack Johnson and Sam Langford) and had incredible punching power (he is rated as the 6th greatest puncher ever by Ring Magazine). Looking at the early days of his career, it's easy to think they weren't so impressive as he fought many "unknowns" but i've been told in the past many records are simply not known from all the way back then. So i tend to take many of the records back then with a pinch of salt. I remember reading one record of a former World champion (can't remember who now) and his opponent was something like 3-0 and written underneath it said: "Local media reports suggest his record was actually 35-1" (something like 35-1 anyway). Had he not been murdered so young, i think it is clear he'd have gone on to accomplish so much more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted May 12, 2011 Author Share Posted May 12, 2011 Possibly the Greatest ever Middleweight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader Posted May 12, 2011 Share Posted May 12, 2011 Unfortunately, his untimely death in the prime of his career has denied us the opportunity to have a full review and magnified the legend of this fighters with iron hands.... For me what little has come to us and the raw numbers of honors they do enter the room with Carlos Monzon, Marvin Hagler, Sugar Ray Robinson and Co... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londoner Posted May 17, 2011 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Possibly the Greatest ever Middleweight? Simply because he died so young without accomplishing all he could have i would say no. I think he may well have been had he lived longer though. The same can be said of Salvador Sanchez. I think he could very well be the best featherweight of all time. But, had he not died so young he could very well have gone on to surpass the accomplishments of Julio Cesar Chavez who is widely considered to be Mexico's greatest boxer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted May 27, 2011 Author Share Posted May 27, 2011 Unfortunately, his untimely death in the prime of his career has denied us the opportunity to have a full review and magnified the legend of this fighters with iron hands.... For me what little has come to us and the raw numbers of honors they do enter the room with Carlos Monzon, Marvin Hagler, Sugar Ray Robinson and Co... Great post and agree he is in the same class as Monzon, Hagler etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted June 10, 2011 Author Share Posted June 10, 2011 6 more Votes needed to decide Stanley Ketchel's fate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Ketchel's an all-time top 5 middleweight. No room for agument here. Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slip Capone Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 i vote yes. he knocked down jack johnson. that took balls to go at him like he did. of course he paid for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Galveston Giant Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Definate yes, a great fighter who could have been so much more had he not been killed just before his prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted June 17, 2011 Author Share Posted June 17, 2011 Stanley Ketchel has qualified for the Ringnews24/Budweiser Boxing Hall of Fame with over 90% 'Yes' votes after 20 votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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