Skav Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/126305-breaking-news-beto-ortiz-reach-agreement?ooo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faulks Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 Interesting match up this what with Ortiz moving up in weight. Whats peoples thoughts? Do you fancy adding a poll Skav? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ko Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 Ortiz is a big 140 fighter, I think he can do well. Berto has speed and advantage but he has never been in with a guy like Ortiz who is a skilled boxer and can punch with speed. I'd pick Berto by close decision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 Good and interesting match, Ortiz should be at ease in the welterweight, speed and technical skills versus punch and aggression spirit...it's perfect for the success of a fight !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Walker Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 Credit to both for making the match. Guys with no heart don't fight these kinds of fights, especially when you factor in the give-and-take factor relative to the different divisions. I am looking forward to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulais_valley Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 I find it pretty remarkable that people are giving Berto credit for this fight. Yet again he is fighting a smaller fighter who to make matters worse is coming off a disappointing draw and has never fully recovered from his loss to Maidana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skav Posted February 15, 2011 Author Share Posted February 15, 2011 I find it pretty remarkable that people are giving Berto credit for this fight. Yet again he is fighting a smaller fighter who to make matters worse is coming off a disappointing draw and has never fully recovered from his loss to Maidana. I agree, but stylistically this should be a good match. Ortiz is fast, powerful and has decent stamina and Berto's defense is a bit leaky. However, I don't think Ortiz deserves this shot. I've never really liked the guy, to be honest. His attitude rubs me up the wrong way, especially when he stated there's more to life than boxing, and of course, there is the Maidana situation when he waved his hands to the ref that he wanted no more. He got a draw last time out, and I don't see how he deserves his shot by beating the likes of a faded Vivian Harris and Nate Campbell. Faulks, how do you add a poll? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faulks Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 I find it pretty remarkable that people are giving Berto credit for this fight. Yet again he is fighting a smaller fighter who to make matters worse is coming off a disappointing draw and has never fully recovered from his loss to Maidana. I agree, but stylistically this should be a good match. Ortiz is fast, powerful and has decent stamina and Berto's defense is a bit leaky. However, I don't think Ortiz deserves this shot. I've never really liked the guy, to be honest. His attitude rubs me up the wrong way, especially when he stated there's more to life than boxing, and of course, there is the Maidana situation when he waved his hands to the ref that he wanted no more. He got a draw last time out, and I don't see how he deserves his shot by beating the likes of a faded Vivian Harris and Nate Campbell. Faulks, how do you add a poll? If you edit your original post its down at the bottom. Im not 100% sure you can do it after your original post (not being a mod) so ive added it for you deal// Ive gone for Ortiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 Nice match-up. Berto isn't a big Welterweight so can't see weight being a factor. Skillwise its close but I rate Berto as the better fighter and I think he could get the stoppage. What happened to him fighting Aydin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 Complete crock of a fight. Berto will abuse the heartless over-hyped and mentally weak Ortiz inside 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skav Posted February 15, 2011 Author Share Posted February 15, 2011 I find it pretty remarkable that people are giving Berto credit for this fight. Yet again he is fighting a smaller fighter who to make matters worse is coming off a disappointing draw and has never fully recovered from his loss to Maidana. I agree, but stylistically this should be a good match. Ortiz is fast, powerful and has decent stamina and Berto's defense is a bit leaky. However, I don't think Ortiz deserves this shot. I've never really liked the guy, to be honest. His attitude rubs me up the wrong way, especially when he stated there's more to life than boxing, and of course, there is the Maidana situation when he waved his hands to the ref that he wanted no more. He got a draw last time out, and I don't see how he deserves his shot by beating the likes of a faded Vivian Harris and Nate Campbell. Faulks, how do you add a poll? If you edit your original post its down at the bottom. Im not 100% sure you can do it after your original post (not being a mod) so ive added it for you deal// Ive gone for Ortiz Cheers, mate. deal// Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapevine241 Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 berto's speed should be the difference. but i like ortiz and think hes a bit underrated. sort of embarrassing that berto capitulated to ortiz's catchweight though... and i wonder what HBO is paying for this fight? is $5million too little? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 I find it pretty remarkable that people are giving Berto credit for this fight. Yet again he is fighting a smaller fighter who to make matters worse is coming off a disappointing draw and has never fully recovered from his loss to Maidana. Thank god for that- that was my reaction as well and yet the presiding opinion seems to be it's a good match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooklynbrawler Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 Aye, I also think it's a nonsense fight, where Berto is taking the weak option yet again. Ortiz is a decent 140 lbs fighter, but he's not a welterweight, and he's not on good form, to warrant any move up in class. It's a bollocks matchup imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapevine241 Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 my initial reaction was also "here we go again" with berto... but really who else would you have berto fight? oritz has a bit of a name and is by no means a small JWW, in fact hes a bit larger than berto. maidana, matthyse would be OK... but then again both JWW's and coming off close losses cintron? yawn paul williams? sounds great, but al haymon is not having that collazo rematch? sounds good, though collazo seems to have retired lol cotto, mosley, pacquiao, mayweather, khan, bradley? all tied up at the moment as for aydin, zaveck, senchenko, ouali, brook... remember we are upset that HBO is throwing money at meaningless berto fights, lets not continue them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faulks Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 So everyone seems to be going against vicious victor. I'm sticking my neck on the line and saying he'll beat him. I like this match up. Bertos options are limited and Ortiz needs a good win to get him back in the limelight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 my initial reaction was also "here we go again" with berto... but really who else would you have berto fight? oritz has a bit of a name and is by no means a small JWW, in fact hes a bit larger than berto. maidana, matthyse would be OK... but then again both JWW's and coming off close losses cintron? yawn paul williams? sounds great, but al haymon is not having that collazo rematch? sounds good, though collazo seems to have retired lol cotto, mosley, pacquiao, mayweather, khan, bradley? all tied up at the moment as for aydin, zaveck, senchenko, ouali, brook... remember we are upset that HBO is throwing money at meaningless berto fights, lets not continue them Aydin would have been fine, Brook have been fine, both highly rated WW's who would ask for less than Ortiz will be getting, both Unbeaten and on a good run. Ortiz is done and has shown he's no longer a fighter by backing off from Peterson for most the fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londoner Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 I can't see past a Berto win. Ortiz seems to be struggling to reach the lofty heights that were expected of him and maybe we're seeing the "New Vargas" as opposed to the "New De La Hoya". It seems like this is a tough fight for Ortiz that he probably won't win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapevine241 Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 my initial reaction was also "here we go again" with berto... but really who else would you have berto fight? oritz has a bit of a name and is by no means a small JWW, in fact hes a bit larger than berto. maidana, matthyse would be OK... but then again both JWW's and coming off close losses cintron? yawn paul williams? sounds great, but al haymon is not having that collazo rematch? sounds good, though collazo seems to have retired lol cotto, mosley, pacquiao, mayweather, khan, bradley? all tied up at the moment as for aydin, zaveck, senchenko, ouali, brook... remember we are upset that HBO is throwing money at meaningless berto fights, lets not continue them Aydin would have been fine, Brook have been fine, both highly rated WW's who would ask for less than Ortiz will be getting, both Unbeaten and on a good run. Ortiz is done and has shown he's no longer a fighter by backing off from Peterson for most the fight. yeah but the situation here is that after all of the (well deserved) whining that HBO got, berto is going to have to fight against names. i cant imagine they would buy any of those fights. better to kill two birds with one stone in a sense: the two fighters they are accused of overpaying fight each other, with (hopefully) the loser commanding far less money in the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemurphy Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 <blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="gavpowell" data-cite="gavpowell" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="6620" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div><blockquote data-ipsquote="" class="ipsQuote" data-ipsquote-username="dulais_valley" data-cite="dulais_valley" data-ipsquote-contentapp="forums" data-ipsquote-contenttype="forums" data-ipsquote-contentid="6620" data-ipsquote-contentclass="forums_Topic"><div>I find it pretty remarkable that people are giving Berto credit for this fight. Yet again he is fighting a smaller fighter who to make matters worse is coming off a disappointing draw and has never fully recovered from his loss to Maidana.</div></blockquote><p> </p><p> Thank god for that- that was my reaction as well and yet the presiding opinion seems to be it's a good match.</p></div></blockquote><p> </p><p> I'm equally suprised, I saw the headline and it left me cold, in what area is Ortiz superior to Berto? I go down the list and all the checks go into the Berto column.</p> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donlevy Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 cintron? yawn That's a far more dangerous and interesting match than Ortiz.Cintron is a big welterweight and is a far greater puncher than anyone Berto has ever been in the ring with.He may be an idiot,but he's a much more credible opponent than Ortiz is. maybe we're seeing the "New Vargas" I don't have a problem with Ortiz,but I think the Vargas comparison is a bit unflattering to Vargas,who accomplished as much in his first three years as a pro as anyone in recent years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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