londoner Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 Journeymen play a key role in the development of all boxers. Without good, tough, competitive journeymen, it's possible that the greatest boxers we've seen wouldn't have progressed to the level they did. Here are a few great journeymen: Len Wickwar: Widely regarded as having fought the most professional bouts in history (465). Len Wickwar - Boxrec Peter Buckley: One of the best journeymen of all time. The list of fighters he has fought is a "Who's who?" of the British and International boxing World. He was never knocked out in his whole career which spanned 300 bouts and was only stopped 10 times in 256 losses. Peter Buckley - Boxrec Reggie Strickland: Another of the most famous journeymen of all time. He fought 363 bouts which included a few future World champions. Reggie Strickland - Boxrec Paul Bonson: He has fought many of Britain's top talents in the last 15 years and yet has only ever been stopped 3 times in his 105 losses. Paul Bonson - Boxrec Others: Verdell Smith: Verdell Smith - Boxrec Roberto Davila: Roberto Davila - Boxrec Mark Lee Dawson: Mark lee Dawson - Boxrec Jamie Ambler: Jamie Ambler - Boxrec Just a few to start the thread off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_budweiser Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 Id like to add a boxer that fights just now his name is Youssef Al Hamidi and his record stands at won 8 (KO 1) + lost 29 (KO 1) + drawn 2 = 39 I think he had the potential to be a very good fight if he started earlier in his career but he started at age 29 and proved very awkward early on. In 2007 onwards he lost a 1 point decision to Ricky Burns, 2 point decision to John Simpson, 1 point decision to Michael Hunter, 1 point to Anthony Crolla as well as many more close decisions. He was robbed against Manchesters undefeated John Murray watch here the guys not had many breaks but he could of been a very good fighter if he started earlier rather than waiting till 29 years old, maybe has the wrong coach/support. Hes had 39 fights inside 4 years of boxing, sure to take its toal on any fighter But well never know what he could of been..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooklynbrawler Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 Firstly Julius Francis - Sent in to face John Ruiz in just his seventh fight, it was pretty clear he wasn't one for being developed along slowly...by the end of his career, he ended up facing; Vitali Klitschko Mike Tyson Oleg Maskaev Steffen Nielsen Danny Williams Sinan Samil Sam Axel Schulz Pele Reid Volodymyr Vyrchys Luan Krasniqi Audley Harrison Alexander Dimitrenko Matt Skelton Taras Bydenko Roman Greenberg Scott Gammer ...to name but a few! Many top names, and he was a decent gatekeeper, with a couple of surprise wins along the way, and also gave a good indication of up and coming prospects' real levels. Also, Emanuel Augustus; This guys record reads like a "Who's Who" of boxing! The eternal journeyman, who was actually a pretty damn good fighter, and only had a record like he did, because of the amount of good/great fighters he fought...often on short notice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 Zack Page who has faced: Fury Charr Luis Ortiz JC Gomez McBride YP Hernandez Koerber Seth Mitchell Pulev Eugene Hill (twice) Mike Perez Sprott Gavern Palacios Guillermo Jones Jason Estrada Banks Guinn ALL since '06 Ok most are prospects but thats not a bad list of who's who of the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Moved back to "world" boxing on account that some of us mention current journeymen >_> Marcel Zeller Daniel Peret (we'll all have seen him, fought Fury, Larry O, Dallas, Price, Chisora, Belshaw twice, McDermott, Dettweiller) Lee Swaby seems to be one now as well Tony Booth was a good one (Haye's Debut, Rogan, Maccarinelli twice, McDermott, Firat Arslan, Nelson, Montell Griffin, Ralf Rocchigiani) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Are you unwell? I mean there must be an Uzbek super-flyweight out there with a 14-207-4 record you can rave about... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 ...just for you Gavin... Andrey Kostin (20-16)-Quigg, Truscott, Andreas Evensen, Jamie Arthur, Nehomar Cermeno, Damaen Kelly Mykyta Lukin (11-19-2)-Quigg, Truscott twice, Paul Hyland, Jamie McDonnell, Martin Lindsay Yuriy Voronin (27-12-2 though now a journeyman type)-Quigg, Joe Murray, Frampton, Oleh Yefimovych, Nicky Cook, Dunne, Mzonke Fana Do we accept Chris Edwards as one? He's 15-14-3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Disappointing effort, that. I'm putting you down as a 'must try harder.' Although I can't help sensing a distant feeling of future regret. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted January 24, 2011 Share Posted January 24, 2011 Unless you're going to be happy with Nosir Ruzimatov (6-4) who faced Alexander Bakhtin (OPBF champion at Bantam) and Noknoi Sitthiprasert (WBC Youth Light Flyweight) you're safe I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Winston Burnett A Cardiff fighter via Jamaica. He actually got to 98 or 99 fights and the BBB of C tried to stop him fighting. But fortunately he got the all clear and became a centurion. He turned Pro in 1980 and retired in 1994. Fought in a few divisions from Middleweight up. Fought Mark Kaylor x2, Patrick Lumumba, Lou Gent, Noel McGee, Tom Collins, Frank Tate, Nigel Benn x2, Chris Eubank, Errol Christie and Christophe Girard. Fought in the US quite alot particualrly and the end of his career - even fighting Tim Tomashek. won 20 (KO 1) + lost 98 (KO 14) + drawn 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edsel77x Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Firstly Julius Francis - Sent in to face John Ruiz in just his seventh fight, it was pretty clear he wasn't one for being developed along slowly...by the end of his career, he ended up facing; Vitali Klitschko Mike Tyson Oleg Maskaev Steffen Nielsen Danny Williams Sinan Samil Sam Axel Schulz Pele Reid Volodymyr Vyrchys Luan Krasniqi Audley Harrison Alexander Dimitrenko Matt Skelton Taras Bydenko Roman Greenberg Scott Gammer ...to name but a few! Many top names, and he was a decent gatekeeper, with a couple of surprise wins along the way, and also gave a good indication of up and coming prospects' real levels. Also, Emanuel Augustus; This guys record reads like a "Who's Who" of boxing! The eternal journeyman, who was actually a pretty damn good fighter, and only had a record like he did, because of the amount of good/great fighters he fought...often on short notice. goodp// great stuff BB!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edsel77x Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 I am at odds with my self as to how old you are! Let the mystery live on please, as the mystery will cease to be! admire the knowledge, reason why I hold it in such regard is no better summed up by the name it has been so rightfully given; The Sweet Science. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Ironic that Francis is best remembered for his unique approach to sponsorship for the Tyson fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooklynbrawler Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Ironic that Francis is best remembered for his unique approach to sponsorship for the Tyson fight. Haha, that was the Sun who sponsored the soles of his feet... mlol/ And right enough, it caught plenty of attention and they were seen by millions pretty early in the fight. It was a marketing ploy by them and it worked! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 Not since Bruno crossing himself repeatedly before facing Tyson has the outcome of a fight been so obvious so far in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader Posted January 25, 2011 Share Posted January 25, 2011 The prince of jouneymen and professional globe-trotter fighter was Angel Robinson Garcia, check his record...has fought against three generation of top contender from lightweight at middleweight... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londoner Posted January 27, 2011 Author Share Posted January 27, 2011 The prince of jouneymen and professional globe-trotter fighter was Angel Robinson Garcia, check his record...has fought against three generation of top contender from lightweight at middleweight... Yeah, Angel is one of the best journeyman of all time. He was probably more than journeyman level even. Probably more of a very tough gatekeeper like Glen Johnson. A lot of his bouts went 10 rounds or more which is kind of rare for many journeymen. He fought Wilfred Benitez, Eddie Perkins (3 times), Ismael Laguna, Esteban De Jesus, Roberto Duran, Ken Buchanan, Jose Napoles (twice), Carlos Hernandez (3 times) and every one of those bouts went the full ten rounds. That is really incredible. That's 130 rounds of boxing against some great competitors. He also fought a lot of other tough competitors who were very good but i just named the elite names on his record. He only lost 3 bouts by KO and they were against Willie Monroe (who had beaten Marvin Hagler 9 months earlier), Alfredo Urbina (who had beaten Eddie Perkins and would go on to fight Ramos, Hernandez, Napoles, Laguna, Locche etc) and Carmelo Bossi (who would go on to become World light middleweight champion). http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=008479&cat=boxer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBride Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 On a domestic level Peter Buckley has more than served the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted January 27, 2011 Share Posted January 27, 2011 Shannon Miller (Dirrell, Shumenov, Spina, Chris Henry, Mack, Curtis Stevens, Daniel Judah, Dallas Vargas, Chad Dawson, Syd Vanderpool, Robert Allen, Tarvis Simms, Danny Santiago) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader Posted January 28, 2011 Share Posted January 28, 2011 He only lost 3 bouts by KO and they were against Willie Monroe (who had beaten Marvin Hagler 9 months earlier), Alfredo Urbina (who had beaten Eddie Perkins and would go on to fight Ramos, Hernandez, Napoles, Laguna, Locche etc) and Carmelo Bossi (who would go on to become World light middleweight champion). I'm agree, Robinson Garcia was much more than journeyman, two of three defeats before the limit were for cut, only Urbina beat him for ko, has also lived in Italy and old men (my grandfather, ecc...) who have seen him in action have not forgotten, Italian boxing owes him a lot, Bruno Arcari recently said that the time spent in the gym with the everlasting cuban was how to make the University of boxing, is the whole generation of boxers at the time of Genoa had the opportunity to grow daily confronting with a true professor.......great, for me another king without a crown (and perhaps without a home)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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