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Interview with Larry Holmes about Floyd Mayweather jr and Manny Pacquiao:

 

By Michael Marley

 

Former world heavyweight champion Larry Holmes must have felt like the guy who was called on stage to sing after Frank Sinatra just wowed an audience.

 

The "Easton Assassin" nobly ruled the (back then) most important weight division in boxing for seven, solid years but unfortunately his predecessor was the charismatic Muhammad Ali.

 

So, during his reign, Holmes never got the appreciation his exquisite ring skills merited.

 

Retired since 2002, the 61 year old Holmes, whose has only been living in the small Pennsylvania city since 1957, looks better with the passage of time.

 

But, at least, Holmes is getting his props, smelling the roses, while he's still above ground.

 

Holmes does not believe America's top boxer of today, controversial Floyd Mayweather Jr., will enjoy such reverence in his later years.

 

"I don't think so." Holmes told me in a face to face conversation. "This guy is a little assh----.

 

"I don't know what his problem is really but Mayweather has got a big chip on his shoulder. He conducts himself like an ass in public, flashing money and all that. These are hard economic times, lot of people can't find jobs and he's flashing all that cash?

 

"Could he as popular like Sugar Ray Leonard was? Yeah, if he didn't come as such an an assh---. He just comes off as a bad guy. The way he talks, all that bitch this and bitch that, I don't go for that, either. No one's going to call my sister a bitch, call her out of her name, at least not in front of me," Holmes said.

 

Holmes doesn't expect Mayweather to listen to him. He said that L'il Floyd doesn't even acknowledge that his boxing skills are mainly inherited from his ex-boxer father and former world champion uncle.

 

"Yeah, he's a good fighter but he got his ability in boxing from them, from his family. But you don't ever hear him speak on that. You got to be humble. You got to be someone who people can like, who they can admire."

 

Switch the topic of Manny Pacquiao and Holmes lights up.

 

"I'm proud of Pacquiao for all he's doing. I think Manny brings a lot of excitement to the ring and makes people want to see his fights. Best thing Manny ever did was getting connected with Freddie Roach as his teacher, his trainer."

 

Holmes said Roach laid the fistic foundation for Pacman just as his own early career tutors did for him.

 

"Freddie Roach...he's been there," Holmes said. "Freddie was trained by Eddie Futch. I was trained by Ray Arcel and by Freddie Brown. I also had Eddie in my corner sometimes. I had the greatest minds in boxing working with me. Richie Giachetti, he knew boxing but he couldn't demonstrate it like those other guys could.

 

"That's why we got no heavyweights in America now...we got no teachers like those guys. It's not just the fact that a lot of big guys are playing pro football or basketball."

 

Nobody taught Holmes how to take the hammer blows of Earnie Shavers, hit the canvas and rise again to fight on to victory.

 

With a 69-6, 44 KOs record, Holmes is the voice of authority.

 

He cheers Pacquiao and jeers Mayweather.

 

Is anyone surprised by that at this point?

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Just one question. Is there really any fight fan on this mortal coil that DOESN'T know that Floyd Mayweather is an arsehole. It isn't rocket science you only need to see him for ten seconds when he is doing anything other than fighting to know what he is.

 

I don't know what to make of all the recent stuff with Mayweather tbh. The Media loves to magnify things so that they seem worse than they are. I tend to not care what a boxer does outside of the ring - just concentrate on the fighting inside. That might mean I'm narrow minded and not looking at the 'bigger picture' but if I stopped watching boxers that weren't perfect gentleman outside of the sport then I wouldn't be seeing some of the greats.

Sugar Ray Robinson was an arsehole outside the ring but the greatest inside.

 

When these stories of Mayweather come out and all the court case stuff, I ain't really bothered about what he is supposed to have done but when will I see him fight again. Hopefully, he gets off and it was all inaccurate and we see him in the ring rather than behind bars. Cos love or loathe him he will be a loss to the sport.

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Just one question. Is there really any fight fan on this mortal coil that DOESN'T know that Floyd Mayweather is an arsehole. It isn't rocket science you only need to see him for ten seconds when he is doing anything other than fighting to know what he is.

 

I don't know what to make of all the recent stuff with Mayweather tbh. The Media loves to magnify things so that they seem worse than they are. I tend to not care what a boxer does outside of the ring - just concentrate on the fighting inside. That might mean I'm narrow minded and not looking at the 'bigger picture' but if I stopped watching boxers that weren't perfect gentleman outside of the sport then I wouldn't be seeing some of the greats.

Sugar Ray Robinson was an arsehole outside the ring but the greatest inside.

 

When these stories of Mayweather come out and all the court case stuff, I ain't really bothered about what he is supposed to have done but when will I see him fight again. Hopefully, he gets off and it was all inaccurate and we see him in the ring rather than behind bars. Cos love or loathe him he will be a loss to the sport.

 

It can, it doesn't, it shouldn't, it won't, it might, probably will..., matter?

People tend to make concessions for those they like. To me, I just want to see the fights.

However, I get caught up in the drama and all too many times and I like to speak on what I think. Despite it or my comment being trivial.

Just as much as my response shouldn't elicit a response from die-hard fans like McBride or others, I, in turn shouldn't retort in any way about what Pretty Boy says, but I do.

I feel that if you are going to talk the talk then walk the walk. If you don't then,there I am.

It's all for fun though..., no need to raise the blood pressure to the extent that you need a refill on the the Viagra or something.

So to all no hard feelings. Mayweather is a superb boxer that did not get in the ring with Cotto or Pacman, or Mosley when he should have.

That's all.

 

I didn't know SRR was an arse but since I only heard good things about his ability and mettle and despite the trying times he was born, raised and lived him, I will not see him any other way that than for what I have come to view him as.

A Great!

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Edsel, I am not a die hard fan of Mayweather. I am an unashamed die hard fan of Roberto Duran. I just happen to try to use my brain, and not some silly predjudice when i see Mayweather execute his genius inside a boxing ring. I do not want to hear about the idiot, or read either directly about him , or what any other person thinks about him. I only care about what he does when the bell rings.
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Edsel, I am not a die hard fan of Mayweather. I am an unashamed die hard fan of Roberto Duran. I just happen to try to use my brain, and not some silly predjudice when i see Mayweather execute his genius inside a boxing ring. I do not want to hear about the idiot, or read either directly about him , or what any other person thinks about him. I only care about what he does when the bell rings.

 

Haha, you're DEFINITELY a Mayweather fan whether you want to admit it or not, McBride.

You can keep it your dirty little secret if you want though... mlol/

Personally, I don't see the problem with that.

Many people have a preference to some fighters or another, and if you like what you see in the ring from the guy, then even subconsciously you're a big fan of his.

You don't have to like his chat or his personality, but many people dislike his personality more than they appreciate his skills, and hence don't care for him too much, but you'll find every opportunity to defend the guy, meaning you're the opposite.

Again, not saying it's a bad thing, but I would most definitely say that you're a big fan of Floyd's, without a doubt!

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I didn't know SRR was an arse but since I only heard good things about his ability and mettle and despite the trying times he was born, raised and lived him, I will not see him any other way that than for what I have come to view him as.

A Great!

 

According to the documentaries I have seen, he used to hit his wife and kids. That came from Robinson's son, Ray Robinson II, as he likes to call himself.

 

I own a pair of used Robinson sparring gloves and always look at them with a tinge of sadness because of how he used to act in his personal life (he once owned an entire block of a street), but that gets overtaken by thoughts of his greatness in the ring.

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I don't think boxing will miss Mayweather Jr at all. I USED to be a fan and i am no longer a fan in the slightest. I respect his talent but he hasn't fought anybody i would call "dangerous" since Castillo in 2002. But, that is neither here nor there.

 

My point is this: I am looking forward to this next decade in boxing than i have loved the last decade. Every decade we hear that "Boxing is dead" or "This decade won't be as good as the last". I think this next decade could be one of the best we have seen for a while, especially for British fight fans. I have never seen so much young British talent all coming through at once. British amateur boxing is on a high also meaning even more should be coming through over the years.

 

Imagine when people said that at the end of the 90s when Lewis and RJJ etc were reaching the end of their careers. Then we saw the likes of ODLH, Morales, Barrera, Tapia, Pacquiao etc continue their careers.

 

Boxing won't even miss Pacquiao, let alone Mayweather Jr.

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I don't think boxing will miss Mayweather Jr at all. I USED to be a fan and i am no longer a fan in the slightest. I respect his talent but he hasn't fought anybody i would call "dangerous" since Castillo in 2002. But, that is neither here nor there.

 

My point is this: I am looking forward to this next decade in boxing than i have loved the last decade. Every decade we hear that "Boxing is dead" or "This decade won't be as good as the last". I think this next decade could be one of the best we have seen for a while, especially for British fight fans. I have never seen so much young British talent all coming through at once. British amateur boxing is on a high also meaning even more should be coming through over the years.

 

Imagine when people said that at the end of the 90s when Lewis and RJJ etc were reaching the end of their careers. Then we saw the likes of ODLH, Morales, Barrera, Tapia, Pacquiao etc continue their careers.

 

Boxing won't even miss Pacquiao, let alone Mayweather Jr.

 

Admittedly, the British scene is pretty decent enough but in the grand scheme of things, boxing has declined a great deal. Only one has to look at 2010 as a year to see how dire it was. One of the worst in years.

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I don't think boxing will miss Mayweather Jr at all. I USED to be a fan and i am no longer a fan in the slightest. I respect his talent but he hasn't fought anybody i would call "dangerous" since Castillo in 2002. But, that is neither here nor there.

 

My point is this: I am looking forward to this next decade in boxing than i have loved the last decade. Every decade we hear that "Boxing is dead" or "This decade won't be as good as the last". I think this next decade could be one of the best we have seen for a while, especially for British fight fans. I have never seen so much young British talent all coming through at once. British amateur boxing is on a high also meaning even more should be coming through over the years.

 

Imagine when people said that at the end of the 90s when Lewis and RJJ etc were reaching the end of their careers. Then we saw the likes of ODLH, Morales, Barrera, Tapia, Pacquiao etc continue their careers.

 

Boxing won't even miss Pacquiao, let alone Mayweather Jr.

 

Admittedly, the British scene is pretty decent enough but in the grand scheme of things, boxing has declined a great deal. Only one has to look at 2010 as a year to see how dire it was. One of the worst in years.

 

The talent in general hasn't declined, but the politics have increased tenfold, and it's stopping too many of the best possible fights from being made.

This boxing era reminds me of the old WWF Wrestling.

Named guy vs token walkover week-in, week-out, bar the occasional main event.

It eventually failed for that very reason, and had to take stock and go back to the drawing board, and they came back and came up with the conclusion to throw on big "fights" in every event, to some extent.

We need rid of the protection fighters are given and the importance of the "0" and boxing will soon recover.

If they stop PPV'ing every single half decent fight, then a decent fanbase will be sustained too.

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I think a few things have happened. The WBO being recognised as a World title just added to the diluted rankings already. A fighter or his manager/promoter targets the weakest champion and with there being many, we aren't getting the best fighting the best like used to happen. Fighters used to have to fight their way up the rankings now they can sit and wait.

 

On the flipside, the sport seems alot stronger globally and the US powerbase is shifting which you could say is due to the Eastern block becoming Professionals. (I know that was awhile ago but it looks like the Pro game is fully upto speed now) I think boxing overall is doing fine, its just we can't look just at the US for all the stars.

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Edsel, I am not a die hard fan of Mayweather. I am an unashamed die hard fan of Roberto Duran. I just happen to try to use my brain, and not some silly predjudice when i see Mayweather execute his genius inside a boxing ring. I do not want to hear about the idiot, or read either directly about him , or what any other person thinks about him. I only care about what he does when the bell rings.

 

Haha, you're DEFINITELY a Mayweather fan whether you want to admit it or not, McBride.

You can keep it your dirty little secret if you want though... mlol/

Personally, I don't see the problem with that.

Many people have a preference to some fighters or another, and if you like what you see in the ring from the guy, then even subconsciously you're a big fan of his.

You don't have to like his chat or his personality, but many people dislike his personality more than they appreciate his skills, and hence don't care for him too much, but you'll find every opportunity to defend the guy, meaning you're the opposite.

Again, not saying it's a bad thing, but I would most definitely say that you're a big fan of Floyd's, without a doubt!

 

BB, you may think whatever you like, and you can also label, or pigeon hole people if it makes life easier for you to cope with, but it doesn't make you right.

 

I will give you an example ( this is the second time i've mentioned it, and again i'll expect people to ignore it because it doesn't suit their agenda ) no one and i mean no one has made either Mosley or Marquez look as totally fucking useless as Mayweather did, including Vernon Forrest.

 

So of course i will vigorously defend what he does when the bell rings, when i'm faced with idiots, and or Pakow fanboys who post drivel about the fighters ability.

 

Another example. He has NEVER challenged anyone for a world title, and stipulated what that fighter may or may not weigh. So if by me pointing that out to Pakow fanboys when they start saying who Mayweather should or shouldn't fight, or whether or not he has the right to demand blood tests, or better yet pointing out another truth to the naysayers, which is he is the biggest money spinner in boxing now Oscars turned it in warrants me being some kind of blind fan then you must have a wierd sense of what fans are.

 

What your saying is akin to labelling someone a communist because they dont accept anything that Cameron or Clegg say as being truthful.

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Edsel, I am not a die hard fan of Mayweather. I am an unashamed die hard fan of Roberto Duran. I just happen to try to use my brain, and not some silly predjudice when i see Mayweather execute his genius inside a boxing ring. I do not want to hear about the idiot, or read either directly about him , or what any other person thinks about him. I only care about what he does when the bell rings.

 

Haha, you're DEFINITELY a Mayweather fan whether you want to admit it or not, McBride.

You can keep it your dirty little secret if you want though... mlol/

Personally, I don't see the problem with that.

Many people have a preference to some fighters or another, and if you like what you see in the ring from the guy, then even subconsciously you're a big fan of his.

You don't have to like his chat or his personality, but many people dislike his personality more than they appreciate his skills, and hence don't care for him too much, but you'll find every opportunity to defend the guy, meaning you're the opposite.

Again, not saying it's a bad thing, but I would most definitely say that you're a big fan of Floyd's, without a doubt!

 

BB, you may think whatever you like, and you can also label, or pigeon hole people if it makes life easier for you to cope with, but it doesn't make you right.

 

I will give you an example ( this is the second time i've mentioned it, and again i'll expect people to ignore it because it doesn't suit their agenda ) no one and i mean no one has made either Mosley or Marquez look as totally f***** useless as Mayweather did, including Vernon Forrest.

 

So of course i will vigorously defend what he does when the bell rings, when i'm faced with idiots, and or Pakow fanboys who post drivel about the fighters ability.

 

Another example. He has NEVER challenged anyone for a world title, and stipulated what that fighter may or may not weigh. So if by me pointing that out to Pakow fanboys when they start saying who Mayweather should or shouldn't fight, or whether or not he has the right to demand blood tests, or better yet pointing out another truth to the naysayers, which is he is the biggest money spinner in boxing now Oscars turned it in warrants me being some kind of blind fan then you must have a wierd sense of what fans are.

 

What your saying is akin to labelling someone a communist because they dont accept anything that Cameron or Clegg say as being truthful.

 

Well, if you truly believe that he's the biggest money spinner, and most talented boxer in the world today, I would be more questionable about why you are NOT a fan of his then?!?

There's a couple of fighters I would throw into the above category - Wlad being a prime example.

I would defend him to a certain degree, but then common sense would prevail and I would give an honest assessment about him.

I'm not a fan, but I don't agree with many of the things he gets bashed for.

At the same time, a lot of it is deserving and I will always recognise that at the same time.

If you truly were not a fan of Mayweather Jr's, then I can safely say you would recognise his flaws, but this rarely happens.

Meh.

I don't need to pigeon hole people. If you say you're not a fan, then fair enough you're not a fan. That's most definitely not how you come across though...

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He has got more faults than good points, thats for sure B.B, and too numerous to detail. I only defend his in ring ability because no matter how hard I try I can only see one fault, which is he doesn't sit down on his punches and go for the stoppage enough. The Marquez fight was a good example, he had the edge in power and strength, but because Marquez is a terrific counter puncher Mayweather was unwiling to take a chance of sustaining an attack and trying for the finish.

 

Mayweather only appears to go for the stoppage when he is convinced nothing dangerous can come back at him.

 

I never bother getting involved with who i think a fighter should or shouldn't fight because there are too many variants to consider, so I just form my opinions of what happens when they do fight, and the terms and stips they fight under. That is why i will never acknowledge a fighter who is purported to be the best in the world, when said fighter demands weight restrictions on the other guy.

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McBride,

 

I'll just comment on your very last sentence above.

 

The weight restrictions helped make fights happen. Isn't this what we want as FANS?

 

If a fight can only be made if one guy comes down a bit and another goes up a bit, isn't that a GOOD thing for us FANS? I mean, if they don't do it, we miss out on a great fight. Do WE want to miss out on a great fight? NO. We want to SEE great fights. So my opinion is, in this era where greats fights are few and far between, whatever can be done to get the fights made, should be done.

 

Floyd Mayweather has never fought opponents of the calibre of Margarito or Cotto because he famously retired when they were at their peaks. He only returned to the ring when Margarito was banned (indefinitely, pretty much) and Cotto had been beaten to a pulp by Margarito.

 

Am i being cynical in suggesting that it is more than just a coincidence that Mayweather returned to the ring when his arch rivals were banned and had been beaten up?

 

He only fought Mosley when there was literally nobody else out there to fight at the time.

 

My point is this: Pacquiao has fought opponents that Floyd famously avoided for years. If any 3lb restriction had to be put on to make a great fight, then so be it. Too many great bouts fall through nowadays for people to argue too much over 3lbs.

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I'm not saying that restricting a fighter from weighing in at the full 147lbs or whatever is good (or bad) etc... All i'm saying is if that is the ONLY way to get two fighters to clash then so be it. Us fans miss out on so many bouts every year because negotiations turn sour very fast and just fall through. The people negotiating are adolescent in their mindsets and obsessed with money.
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