Faulks Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 Abraham: I was overtrained Super Six World Boxing Classic fighter Arthur Abraham is recovering in Thailand from his surprisingly lackluster showing against Carl Froch in the final Group Stage 3 match. “I think I was overtrained after eight tough months of training,” he told Super Illu. “The fight was postponed twice, so I was constantly wired in. This is obviously not good for my body. When I finally got to fight him, I didn’t even recognize myself. I wasn’t as explosive and strong as I normally am, but the opposite.” In his next fight, Abraham will challenge WBA super middleweight champion Andre Ward in the Super Six semi-final, probably in May and has promised to repair the damage to his reputation in that fight. “I can’t disappoint my fans again,” he stated. http://www.fightnews.com/Boxing/abraham-i-was-overtrained-71294?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=abraham-i-was-overtrained Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faulks Posted December 29, 2010 Author Share Posted December 29, 2010 Mmm is this a sly dig at his trainer after all the crap he's took off him lately? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edsel77x Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 It sounds funny but he may have a valid point? His trainer said he was upset with him not taking responsibility for his pitiful performance and blaming the team. I can't help but think that a trainer like Uli would know of the detrimental impact of over training would have on a fighter? What he going to say next if he gets out classed by Ward. He might need to go down in weight to regain his aura of invisibility, because (besides the J. Taylor win) he hasn't done anything at 168. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skav Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 He's not big enough at the weight and he has trouble beating opponents who are technically superior to him. None of this overtrained rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 He's a middleweight and stop and even among the best, next year should at least try all the sportfans in that country that is the number one, the opposition does not lack, I also hope that in case of match with Sylvester, Sturm & Zbik the judges are impartial...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulais_valley Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 I don't buy into it at all. He doesn't carry his size or his power up that much and there has never been evidence that he is a boxer capable of outpointing world class opponents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheelchair Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 Sounds like a feeble excuse IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemurphy Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 I agree with Skav and Crusader. He wasn't a Crushing MW to begin with, that he's not carried power up to SMW should really surprise us? I think for some fighters that one little step up can be a HUGE one, in this case Arthur Abraham suffers. Hey, his Power saved him countless times at 160, he's simply overstepped the point where it can save him. At least that's my take on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemurphy Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 Sounds like a feeble excuse IMO. Yep, exactly Wheels. Some weak finger pointing when things didn't go the right way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 I think Abraham's power has carried thoough- Andre Dirrell certainly felt it well enough. Possibly the rest of his attributes don't work so well at the higher weight. but y'know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheils Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 Froch outboxed him, simple as that. His next fight against Ward will be the measure of him. If he did make mistakes in his preperation for the Froch fight then he can only learn from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapevine241 Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 abraham can tell himself whatever he wants... you arent going to win a fight if you dont throw punches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edsel77x Posted December 29, 2010 Share Posted December 29, 2010 I agree with Skav and Crusader. He wasn't a Crushing MW to begin with, that he's not carried power up to SMW should really surprise us? I think for some fighters that one little step up can be a HUGE one, in this case Arthur Abraham suffers. Hey, his Power saved him countless times at 160, he's simply overstepped the point where it can save him. At least that's my take on it. davemurphy,what type of fighter would you say Arthur (and Urango) are, Swarmer or Slugger? Having trouble differentiating between the two at times. And yes to gav..., Arthur, had he keep his composer, would have knocked Dirrell out or made him not want to get back up. It was his (Dirrell) body language for me that gave me the impression he was gassed badly, and didn't want to be there. Arthur let his frustrations dominate him and his thinking, pretty much just, "stuck his foot in his mouth", if you will. Lack of ring generalship on his part. Seems like the tough fight with Edison, when he got his jaw broken (which was absolutely stupid! I would like to use curse words to get the point across but won't..., fight should have been stopped by way of: corner, ref, ringside doc, commisioner, no!body should have let that continue. Very well could have ruined his career not to mention his way of life) , and then the ko win made him think he was super king arthur or something. Got outclassed and let his emotions take over. THe rest was history. He needs to go back down and maybe even to junior middle Would love to see him vs Martinez!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAZZ-MCFC Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 complete shite AA got exposed for the 1 dimensional slugger he is Froch would beat him 9 times out of 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 davemurphy,what type of fighter would you say Arthur (and Urango) are, Swarmer or Slugger? Having trouble differentiating between the two at times. I am not davemurphy - there are important difference - however, I would say Abraham was a slugger/tank fighter - he's never been all that fast-paced, he just warms up through rounds 1-5 and then begins quietly but relentlessly walking his man down. I would say Urango's is a slightly pacier version of the same style and then you have a Katsidis or a Hatton, who start very quickly, constantly pressure and throw dozens of punches, not giving the opponent chance to react. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edsel77x Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 davemurphy,what type of fighter would you say Arthur (and Urango) are, Swarmer or Slugger? Having trouble differentiating between the two at times. I am not davemurphy - there are important difference - however, I would say Abraham was a slugger/tank fighter - he's never been all that fast-paced, he just warms up through rounds 1-5 and then begins quietly but relentlessly walking his man down. I would say Urango's is a slightly pacier version of the same style and then you have a Katsidis or a Hatton, who start very quickly, constantly pressure and throw dozens of punches, not giving the opponent chance to react. Yes I know you too apart lol, I asked him and responded to you.' Either way my question was answered, THnks of course Froch outclasses aa any day, who said that he wouldnt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edsel77x Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 complete shite... whats complete shitey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 Yes I know you too apart lol, I asked him and responded to you.' No, I was just justifying my interruption - you asked him but he wasn't here so I thought i'd barge in ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemurphy Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 Edsel- Gav did a pretty good job of explaining it in my absence, in fact I don't think I could've done better myself. Urango is a consistently hard puncher throughout, Abraham (other than with Miranda in the rematch) is more limited to Late Round power that comes via an accumulation. If he can't take someone out Late via accumulation/breaking them down, then he's at their mercy on the Scorecards since he tosses early stanzas away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 On second thoughts, perhaps I am davemurphy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duwdu Posted December 30, 2010 Share Posted December 30, 2010 complete shite AA got exposed for the 1 dimensional slugger he is Froch would beat him 9 times out of 10 More like eleven out of ten. P34c3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donlevy Posted December 31, 2010 Share Posted December 31, 2010 A puncher is what I'd call Arthur Abraham - because besides his power,he really doesn't have anything else.Excellent power,very strong chin,but too reliant on his defensive shell and late rallies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edsel77x Posted December 31, 2010 Share Posted December 31, 2010 A puncher is what I'd call Arthur Abraham - because besides his power,he really doesn't have anything else.Excellent power,very strong chin,but too reliant on his defensive shell and late rallies. THanks don... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemurphy Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 On second thoughts, perhaps I am davemurphy... Gav- Most people who know me would tell you that you'd have to undergo a Lobotomy in order to make that claim, your going to have dumb it down a LOT if your going to make it as a Murphy Impersonator grin// Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemurphy Posted January 1, 2011 Share Posted January 1, 2011 A puncher is what I'd call Arthur Abraham - because besides his power,he really doesn't have anything else.Excellent power,very strong chin,but too reliant on his defensive shell and late rallies. Don- It's interesting that when he was a Middleweight, I thought AA's game was solid across the board and it was just that the power was above average and stood out. The experience at SMW has exposed him as totally reliant on the late power. He kind of reminds me of a smaller version of David Tua, and the way he used to pull out fights by late KO that he didn't fight all that well. The Dirrell and Froch fights really surprised me, I thought AA was better than this. Be interesting to see if his Post Super Six return to MW goes well or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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