Victor Ortiz

[Skav]

Watching Ortiz vs Peterson for the first time on video and this guy sucks!

 

Any boxer who says "there's more to life than boxing" doesn't deserve to be world champion!

 

He's still only a prospect and already has 2 losses and a draw. He'll never hold a worled title and was shown to be one dimensional. He ran out of ideas against Peterson in the 8th onward and either just wanted to dance around him or blow him out with one big shot.

 

I don't get the popularity about him.

[RAZZ-MCFC]

just another victim of the Golden Boy hype machine

[Skav]

I agree and think GBP know he won't get anywhere and may just throw him to the wolves as quick as possible.

[Faulks]

real nice guy out the ring, ive met him twice and hes alwayd come over had a chat pictures etc.

 

Agree with Razz he was hyped to death by GBP and unforutnatley is now being found out

[Ton]

GBP seem to be good at hyping a fighter. And the thing is they are such a promotional giant now they can simply just offload a failing fighter at will, safe in the knowledge they have an army of other fighters, and will always be able to offer future prospects the sweetest deal!

[Wheelchair]

Ortiz should turn his hand to something else, his heart doesn't seem to be in boxing.

[Johnny Walker]

Re: Victor Ortiz

 

Watching Ortiz vs Peterson for the first time on video and this guy sucks!

 

Any boxer who says "there's more to life than boxing" doesn't deserve to be world champion!

 

He's still only a prospect and already has 2 losses and a draw. He'll never hold a worled title and was shown to be one dimensional. He ran out of ideas against Peterson in the 8th onward and either just wanted to dance around him or blow him out with one big shot.

 

I don't get the popularity about him.

 

Can you explain why Peterson hit the deck and why he didn't defeat Ortiz?

[Johnny Walker]

Ortiz should turn his hand to something else, his heart doesn't seem to be in boxing.

 

Like what?

 

Was Peterson not a top-10 contender?

 

Is Ortiz complete garbage or was he in with a solid professional that presented problems?

 

Can you imagine Joe Louis hanging them up and looking to drive a truck after getting flattened by Max Schmeling?

[Johnny Walker]

GBP seem to be good at hyping a fighter. And the thing is they are such a promotional giant now they can simply just offload a failing fighter at will, safe in the knowledge they have an army of other fighters, and will always be able to offer future prospects the sweetest deal!

 

Any fighter?

 

Just like that??

 

Or perhaps fans just expect a bridge built right away today and the pendulum simply swings to extremes between hot and cold performances.

[Johnny Walker]

I'd like to remind you all that there was a time when Lennox Lewis was flattened by a journeyman. He then retooled....and it took time. He had trouble putting two solid performances together in a row but eventually he evolved into a gem. When he suffered his second one-punch stoppage the world was more forgiving. History shall be as well.

 

Rethink your stance on Ortiz. Get back to me in three years. I don't discard most fighters as though they were paper cups.

[Wheelchair]

I would wager that in three years time Ortiz will be retired.

[gavpowell]

Re: Victor Ortiz

 

 

Any boxer who says "there's more to life than boxing" doesn't deserve to be world champion!

 

What, you like your world champions to have no sense of perspective? I think Ortiz is probably a victim of his own promotional machine, but he's a solid fighter who gave Maidana trouble before the end came, and possibly just needs to gain some experience - he's still young, after all.

[brooklynbrawler]

I agree with what most people are saying, but it IS clear that Ortiz' doesn't have the heart to grind out victories when the going gets tough, and THAT'S why he won't be a top fighter in a couple of years time.

He has the talent, that much isn't in question, but I would compare him to Jermain Taylor.

He's a good example of what happens when undoubted talent and an endless amount of opportunities are not mixed with 100% effort in and out of the ring.

Ortiz sees it as a job, which is fair enough, as you don't have to see boxing as the be and end-all to your life to become a success if you're still prepared to give everything to make it.

Ortiz doesn't and won't.

[Skav]

Re: Victor Ortiz

 

Watching Ortiz vs Peterson for the first time on video and this guy sucks!

 

Any boxer who says "there's more to life than boxing" doesn't deserve to be world champion!

 

He's still only a prospect and already has 2 losses and a draw. He'll never hold a worled title and was shown to be one dimensional. He ran out of ideas against Peterson in the 8th onward and either just wanted to dance around him or blow him out with one big shot.

 

I don't get the popularity about him.

 

Can you explain why Peterson hit the deck and why he didn't defeat Ortiz?

 

Can you explain why Ortiz didn't finish him off and why Ortiz, a promising prospect, ran out of ideas during the course of the fight and drew?

 

And Ortiz should do his day job and be a poster boy. He is also complete garbage so I'll answer your questions in your second post.

 

Funny this, he finally stops fighting tomato cans and past it's after the Maidana defeat and he struggles and draws.

 

Not only that, but he smiles when the verdict was read out as if he was just having fun being in the sport and not as if he was taking it seriously at all.

 

It wouldn't be easy to write him off if he didn't wave his hands to the ref in the Maidana fight to signal that he didn't wanna carry on, say what he did about there being life after boxing and then looking as if he didn't give a crap when the draw verdict was read out.

 

There's a world of difference between Lewis's comeback after his defeats and Victor Ortiz. You are mad to even think of such a comparison!

 

And gav...he ain't solid. No way. Yeah, I like my fighters to put their heart and soul into their careers, as Duran used to say: I treat boxing as my bitch, my wife and my lover.

 

I agree with what most people are saying, but it IS clear that Ortiz' doesn't have the heart to grind out victories when the going gets tough, and THAT'S why he won't be a top fighter in a couple of years time.

He has the talent, that much isn't in question, but I would compare him to Jermain Taylor.

He's a good example of what happens when undoubted talent and an endless amount of opportunities are not mixed with 100% effort in and out of the ring.

Ortiz sees it as a job, which is fair enough, as you don't have to see boxing as the be and end-all to your life to become a success if you're still prepared to give everything to make it.

Ortiz doesn't and won't.

 

Bingo, with the exception of it being okay to not see boxing as the be all and end all. To me, that just means a boxer lacks the killer instinct that it takes to be successful.

[gavpowell]

I'm not too keen on fighters living solely for the sport- it tends not to end well. I'm still torn about Morales' comeback, because on the one hand i'd love to find he has something left, but on the other I wish he'd stayed retired because he may do something stupid.

[Johnny Walker]

I would wager that in three years time Ortiz will be retired.

 

You just may be right, but it hasn't happened yet....and I want to see how it all unfolds.

[Johnny Walker]

Re: Victor Ortiz

 

Watching Ortiz vs Peterson for the first time on video and this guy sucks!

 

Any boxer who says "there's more to life than boxing" doesn't deserve to be world champion!

 

He's still only a prospect and already has 2 losses and a draw. He'll never hold a worled title and was shown to be one dimensional. He ran out of ideas against Peterson in the 8th onward and either just wanted to dance around him or blow him out with one big shot.

 

I don't get the popularity about him.

 

Can you explain why Peterson hit the deck and why he didn't defeat Ortiz?

 

Can you explain why Ortiz didn't finish him off and why Ortiz, a promising prospect, ran out of ideas during the course of the fight and drew?

 

And Ortiz should do his day job and be a poster boy. He is also complete garbage so I'll answer your questions in your second post.

 

Funny this, he finally stops fighting tomato cans and past it's after the Maidana defeat and he struggles and draws.

 

Not only that, but he smiles when the verdict was read out as if he was just having fun being in the sport and not as if he was taking it seriously at all.

 

It wouldn't be easy to write him off if he didn't wave his hands to the ref in the Maidana fight to signal that he didn't wanna carry on, say what he did about there being life after boxing and then looking as if he didn't give a crap when the draw verdict was read out.

 

There's a world of difference between Lewis's comeback after his defeats and Victor Ortiz. You are mad to even think of such a comparison!

 

And gav...he ain't solid. No way. Yeah, I like my fighters to put their heart and soul into their careers, as Duran used to say: I treat boxing as my B***H, my wife and my lover.

 

I agree with what most people are saying, but it IS clear that Ortiz' doesn't have the heart to grind out victories when the going gets tough, and THAT'S why he won't be a top fighter in a couple of years time.

He has the talent, that much isn't in question, but I would compare him to Jermain Taylor.

He's a good example of what happens when undoubted talent and an endless amount of opportunities are not mixed with 100% effort in and out of the ring.

Ortiz sees it as a job, which is fair enough, as you don't have to see boxing as the be and end-all to your life to become a success if you're still prepared to give everything to make it.

Ortiz doesn't and won't.

 

Bingo, with the exception of it being okay to not see boxing as the be all and end all. To me, that just means a boxer lacks the killer instinct that it takes to be successful.

 

The draw was, IMO, an incorrect verdict.

 

"Can you explain why Peterson hit the deck and why he didn't defeat Ortiz"?

 

Yes, Ortiz has considerable power and Peterson was caught well during a moment when Ortiz actually demonstrated effective offense. Credit to Peterson for continuing on and attacking the more powerful fighter. As for why he didn't defeat Ortiz, he started his attack too late to make up the points deficit. When it appeared that the coast was clear he had run out of rounds. It would have been interesting to have seen a few more rounds, and how it would all unfold, no?

 

"Can you explain why Ortiz didn't finish him off and why Ortiz, a promising prospect, ran out of ideas during the course of the fight and drew"?

 

Ortiz needs more self belief and somebody to explain to him, daily, behind the scenes, as he is engaged in sparring, just before and just after, the use of fear as it pertains to a prizefighter as he is led into conditions with tougher and more experienced fighters. It has to be a practiced mantra. THAT and the slow progression of better quality opposition. To date, he has been in with some decent opposition and one sterling destroyer. IMO, he needs more time and we cannot expect him to develop like others might. Hell of a thing getting over a guy like Maidana, I should think.

 

"And Ortiz should do his day job and be a poster boy. He is also complete garbage so I'll answer your questions in your second post.

 

Funny this, he finally stops fighting tomato cans and past it's after the Maidana defeat and he struggles and draws".

 

I get the impression you really dislike fighters, and in particular, Ortiz. You seem strangely pissed-off. Maybe it is YOU that are trying to tell others what to do, in this case, Victor Ortiz.

 

Anyways, try to relax and enjoy the interaction with others, if not boxing and the fighters that are a huge part of it.

 

:)

[Skav]

Re: Victor Ortiz

 

Watching Ortiz vs Peterson for the first time on video and this guy sucks!

 

Any boxer who says "there's more to life than boxing" doesn't deserve to be world champion!

 

He's still only a prospect and already has 2 losses and a draw. He'll never hold a worled title and was shown to be one dimensional. He ran out of ideas against Peterson in the 8th onward and either just wanted to dance around him or blow him out with one big shot.

 

I don't get the popularity about him.

 

Can you explain why Peterson hit the deck and why he didn't defeat Ortiz?

 

Can you explain why Ortiz didn't finish him off and why Ortiz, a promising prospect, ran out of ideas during the course of the fight and drew?

 

And Ortiz should do his day job and be a poster boy. He is also complete garbage so I'll answer your questions in your second post.

 

Funny this, he finally stops fighting tomato cans and past it's after the Maidana defeat and he struggles and draws.

 

Not only that, but he smiles when the verdict was read out as if he was just having fun being in the sport and not as if he was taking it seriously at all.

 

It wouldn't be easy to write him off if he didn't wave his hands to the ref in the Maidana fight to signal that he didn't wanna carry on, say what he did about there being life after boxing and then looking as if he didn't give a crap when the draw verdict was read out.

 

There's a world of difference between Lewis's comeback after his defeats and Victor Ortiz. You are mad to even think of such a comparison!

 

And gav...he ain't solid. No way. Yeah, I like my fighters to put their heart and soul into their careers, as Duran used to say: I treat boxing as my B***H, my wife and my lover.

 

I agree with what most people are saying, but it IS clear that Ortiz' doesn't have the heart to grind out victories when the going gets tough, and THAT'S why he won't be a top fighter in a couple of years time.

He has the talent, that much isn't in question, but I would compare him to Jermain Taylor.

He's a good example of what happens when undoubted talent and an endless amount of opportunities are not mixed with 100% effort in and out of the ring.

Ortiz sees it as a job, which is fair enough, as you don't have to see boxing as the be and end-all to your life to become a success if you're still prepared to give everything to make it.

Ortiz doesn't and won't.

 

Bingo, with the exception of it being okay to not see boxing as the be all and end all. To me, that just means a boxer lacks the killer instinct that it takes to be successful.

 

The draw was, IMO, an incorrect verdict.

 

"Can you explain why Peterson hit the deck and why he didn't defeat Ortiz"?

 

Yes, Ortiz has considerable power and Peterson was caught well during a moment when Ortiz actually demonstrated effective offense. Credit to Peterson for continuing on and attacking the more powerful fighter. As for why he didn't defeat Ortiz, he started his attack too late to make up the points deficit. When it appeared that the coast was clear he had run out of rounds. It would have been interesting to have seen a few more rounds, and how it would all unfold, no?

 

"Can you explain why Ortiz didn't finish him off and why Ortiz, a promising prospect, ran out of ideas during the course of the fight and drew"?

 

Ortiz needs more self belief and somebody to explain to him, daily, behind the scenes, as he is engaged in sparring, just before and just after, the use of fear as it pertains to a prizefighter as he is led into conditions with tougher and more experienced fighters. It has to be a practiced mantra. THAT and the slow progression of better quality opposition. To date, he has been in with some decent opposition and one sterling destroyer. IMO, he needs more time and we cannot expect him to develop like others might. Hell of a thing getting over a guy like Maidana, I should think.

 

"And Ortiz should do his day job and be a poster boy. He is also complete garbage so I'll answer your questions in your second post.

 

Funny this, he finally stops fighting tomato cans and past it's after the Maidana defeat and he struggles and draws".

 

I get the impression you really dislike fighters, and in particular, Ortiz. You seem strangely pissed-off. Maybe it is YOU that are trying to tell others what to do, in this case, Victor Ortiz.

 

Anyways, try to relax and enjoy the interaction with others, if not boxing and the fighters that are a huge part of it.

 

:)

 

Absolutely, I immensely dislike Ortiz. He rubs me up the wrong way.

 

And I am telling Ortiz what to do, too.

 

His career is a waste of time, as Wheelchair said, he'll be retired within 3 years.

 

I would actually liken his career to Audley Harrison's...someone who started off popular and was promising but didn't put all his heart into the game.

 

The guy has had over a year to get over Maidaina and has had it remarkably easy since then. GBP couldn't just keep feeding him tomato cans and over the hill fighters. Sooner or later, he needed to start boxing quality again and he failed.

 

Eventually the crowd will go against him.

 

Who did you have winning the Ortiz vs Peterson fight then?

 

Watching it live, I thought Ortiz may have just nicked it but watching it back, the draw was correct, I thought.

[Wheelchair]

I would wager that in three years time Ortiz will be retired.

 

You just may be right, but it hasn't happened yet....and I want to see how it all unfolds.

 

Well that is your prerogative. I however, will feast my bloodshot eyes on other pugilistic protagonists.

[brooklynbrawler]

Re: Victor Ortiz

 

I agree with what most people are saying, but it IS clear that Ortiz' doesn't have the heart to grind out victories when the going gets tough, and THAT'S why he won't be a top fighter in a couple of years time.

He has the talent, that much isn't in question, but I would compare him to Jermain Taylor.

He's a good example of what happens when undoubted talent and an endless amount of opportunities are not mixed with 100% effort in and out of the ring.

Ortiz sees it as a job, which is fair enough, as you don't have to see boxing as the be and end-all to your life to become a success if you're still prepared to give everything to make it.

Ortiz doesn't and won't.

 

Bingo, with the exception of it being okay to not see boxing as the be all and end all. To me, that just means a boxer lacks the killer instinct that it takes to be successful.

 

Pacquiao is a good example of a guy who consistently says "I was just doing my job."

He puts in the dedication to make sure he is a success, but still sees it as a job, and he has plenty going on outside the ring and outside of boxing, such as his politics, which gives him just as much if not more satisfaction than boxing does.

You don't have to eat, sleep and breathe boxing to be a good boxer. You just have to have the focus and maintain a consistent effort when you are turning out for training or for a fight, and make sure all your focus is on that at the right times, not being distracted by anything else you have going on...

Boxing is a way of life for some, but you don't have to have that attitude to be successful.

 

Some boxers set goals and targets and want to keep pushing themselves, while others, such as Ortiz, turn up for their payday and hope their natural talent will win through.

Eventually, as he's found out to his cost, you need more than just ability.

[Johnny Walker]

I would wager that in three years time Ortiz will be retired.

 

You just may be right, but it hasn't happened yet....and I want to see how it all unfolds.

 

Well that is your prerogative. I however, will feast my bloodshot eyes on other pugilistic protagonists.

 

So have at it. Pick and choose as you deem fit, but I'd risk suggesting that you will be following him, if not for any other reason than sheer curiosity (and that's ok).

[Skav]

Re: Victor Ortiz

 

I agree with what most people are saying, but it IS clear that Ortiz' doesn't have the heart to grind out victories when the going gets tough, and THAT'S why he won't be a top fighter in a couple of years time.

He has the talent, that much isn't in question, but I would compare him to Jermain Taylor.

He's a good example of what happens when undoubted talent and an endless amount of opportunities are not mixed with 100% effort in and out of the ring.

Ortiz sees it as a job, which is fair enough, as you don't have to see boxing as the be and end-all to your life to become a success if you're still prepared to give everything to make it.

Ortiz doesn't and won't.

 

Bingo, with the exception of it being okay to not see boxing as the be all and end all. To me, that just means a boxer lacks the killer instinct that it takes to be successful.

 

Pacquiao is a good example of a guy who consistently says "I was just doing my job."

He puts in the dedication to make sure he is a success, but still sees it as a job, and he has plenty going on outside the ring and outside of boxing, such as his politics, which gives him just as much if not more satisfaction than boxing does.

You don't have to eat, sleep and breathe boxing to be a good boxer. You just have to have the focus and maintain a consistent effort when you are turning out for training or for a fight, and make sure all your focus is on that at the right times, not being distracted by anything else you have going on...

Boxing is a way of life for some, but you don't have to have that attitude to be successful.

 

Some boxers set goals and targets and want to keep pushing themselves, while others, such as Ortiz, turn up for their payday and hope their natural talent will win through.

Eventually, as he's found out to his cost, you need more than just ability.

 

That's an interesting point, actually, Brooklyn.

 

I guess that wouldn't apply to Pacquiao's career earlier in the day but now it does.

 

But I do wonder if Manny had these other ambitions when he beat Barrera for the first time?

[londoner]

I don't think Ortiz is the best prospect in north or south America. I think Alvarez, Benevidez and a few others have bigger futures. I also think many of the European prospects (notably British and Irish) are the ones to look out for in the next few years.