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How much does Rafael Marquez have left?


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You knew as soon as the publicity photos came out that Israel Vazquez was a shot fighter. You didn’t have to see him spar or shadowbox. You didn’t have to be a doctor. As soon as you saw his right eye, a little hazy and drifting off to his right regardless of what his left eye did, you knew the best thing that could happen in his fourth fight with Rafael Marquez was for Marquez to stop him early so Vazquez could get paid and get the hell out.


Marquez did us all a favor when he opened up Vazquez’s left eye like a can of sardines and sent him home early, but the performance did nothing to answer how much Marquez might have left now, at 35 years old and with 15 years and 44 pro fights behind him, three of them brutal struggles with Vazquez.


The question is important now, of course, because on Nov. 6 Marquez will meet 27-year-old, undefeated power puncher Juan Manuel Lopez in Las Vegas. And if you‘ve been watching Lopez’s career, you know he has fewer miles on him than an agoraphobic’s Cadillac. The kid is young and fresh, and he can fight.


This isn’t lost on Marquez.


“If I had to pick a level of fighter, I would probably put him at the level of a Tim Austin or a Mark Johnson, two very good left-handers that I have fought in the past,” Marquez said during a recent press conference.


“He probably has a little bit more power than those two but they were both great fighters when I fought them. That’s who I would compare him to since they’re both left-handed and have quick hands.”


Marquez (39-4, 35 knockouts) was a young man when he fought Austin and Johnson, about the age Lopez is now. So many punches since then, so much blood, so many miles run, so many struggles and stitches and victories and the losses too, to Vazquez. There’s no way he can be the same fighter now that he was then, after all he has been through. Is there?


“As long as you take care of yourself and as long as you prepare well for a fight, that shouldn’t be any problem,” Marquez said. “I think my brother proved it against Juan Diaz, who was 10 years younger than him. I’ve always taken care of myself and I think I have a lot left to give. I think that age doesn’t matter. I don’t see that as a problem. I really don’t.”


It’s true that Rafael’s brother Juan Manuel remains brilliant at 37 years old and with 57 fights behind him. But Juan Manuel was always a better technician than his little brother, and he has a better chin, too. For as long as they have been fighting, Juan Manuel has been the boxer, Rafael the puncher.


It is Marquez’s power and what many believe is Lopez’s soft chin that make the fight intriguing. Lopez, 29-0 (26 KOs) shares with fellow Puerto Rican star Felix Trinidad the mildly troubling habit of suffering flash knockdowns against inferior opponents, as he did before stopping outgunned Bernabe Concepcion in two rounds in July.


Marquez noted this too, saying, “I see how strong and powerful he is, but I also see his weaknesses. I see that he has a weak chin. So we have to take advantage of that and put our punches together and use a lot of combinations.”


Marquez’s more ardent supporters point to the trouble Lopez had against the tough but unexceptional Rogers Mtagwa last October, when Lopez was in such trouble late that he barely finished the fight on his feet. They forget that the key to Mtagwa’s success was his ability to take Lopez’s early power punches without succumbing. One shouldn’t count on Marquez being able to do the same.


Regardless, Lopez said he knows what to expect.


“We are very aware of what he can do," he said. "He’s a tremendous fighter, and he has a lot of skills. And I know he wants to win just as bad as I do. I know just how dangerous he is. I expect the fight to end in a knockout, but I don’t expect it to end early. I think it will be a long fight and I will end it with a knockout but late.


"I think we both have the power to knock each other out. As long as it lasts, it’s going to be a war.”


That’s the bad news for Marquez. Lopez has had one very hard fight -- against Mtagwa. Marquez went to hell and back with Vazquez three times and it’s hard to imagine those fights and 15 years as a pro haven’t taken something from him.


Yes, Marquez still looks good. He took Vazquez apart, for what that‘s worth. And his eyes go in the same direction at the same time. Except for the lines in his face and the scar tissue, he looks more or less the way he always has.


But he can’t be. And that’s what Lopez is counting on.



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I'm going with Lopez by TKO 9. The thing that keeps coming back to me is that with the excecption of the highly suspect Jose Mendoza we haven't seen Rafeal in the Ring with anybody other than Israel Vazquez since August 2006. But if he's still "got it", then I expect one hell of a fight and then youth being served at the end. Big fan of Raf's and I wouldn't be too disappointed to be wrong and see the cagey vet score what would be a minor upset.
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I picked every one of the Marquez vs Vazquez fights right, and while Marquez still possesses a powerful set of fists, and a good chin, he is only going to lose this fight if he is overwhelmed in my opinion.

He has the edge in experience and his chin has stood up to far tougher than Juanma. He has fast hands, and he's not going to be overawed by this experience.

I'm not saying it's impossible, but I just have been less impressed with Juanma lately than I was a few fights ago.

He's looked vulnerable, and despite possessing all the attributes it should take to be able to beat Marquez, I think he has lacked the killer belief in himself lately and I fancy Marquez to get the stoppage in what is probably his last hurrah.

The only other possibility, is if Marquez' inactivity is going to cost him, and his reflexes have ceased a bit and he isn;t as sharp as he was.

I should think a solid training camp will take that out of him, but you never know.

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Great points, Brawler. This is like the perfect fight because they're Ships passing in the night, Juanma on the way up and Raf on the way down, but how far each has gone is totally a mystery. I'm picking Juanma by late stoppage, but I can just as easily see Raf's experience being too much for him, and watching the Rogers Mtagwa fight again yesterday doesn't exactly fill me with a lot of confidence in my pick grin//
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I'm not gonna lie to anyone here - I feel the man has plenty left.


He had been through HELL with his tetralogy with Israel Vazquez - though I have to admit he looked decent in the 4th match. I feel he is going to surprise a lot of people and KO Lopez... just my opinion though.

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