What are we expecting from Floyd on Saturday?

[WelshDevilRob]

Will Floyd be far too good for "Canelo" and give him a boxing lesson or is Floyd slowing down and an upset is possible?

 

Is anyone backing Alvarez to win on Saturday and Why?

Edited September 9, 2013 by WelshDevilRob

[Skav]

Re: What are we expecting from Floyd on Saturday?

 

I like how Alvarez picks his shots, he does not waste many but he still tires a lot. He was knackered by the 6th against Trout and the pace of that fight wasn't exactly frenetic. I think that is what will ultimately let him down on Saturday after a decent start.

[davemurphy]

Re: What are we expecting from Floyd on Saturday?

 

I heard some speculation on On The Grind Radio that suggests there could be a conspiracy to create a Draw, and the makeup of the Judges lends some credence to that possiblity. Dave Moretti has turned in a lot of questionable cards over the years and CJ Ross has had her bad moments. Add to that the relatively inexperienced (at the top level at least) Metcalfe from Canada, although he did work Ward-Froch, and I can see where suspicions might be in the air. I still think Canelo is going to get schooled, but can you imagine the money generated for a rematch if a Draw happens? (preserving the undefeated records for both). We all know that Floyd values his "0" but for $100 Million would he take a "1" AFTER the Zero?

Edited September 9, 2013 by davemurphy

[Skav]

Re: What are we expecting from Floyd on Saturday?

 

He could shoot for equalling Ricardo Lopez's unbeaten record as that had a draw blemish but if Floyd had a draw then he won't be able to equal Marciano's like so many people are talking about right now.

[LondonRingRules]

Re: What are we expecting from Floyd on Saturday?

 

I heard some speculation on On The Grind Radio that suggests there could be a conspiracy to create a Draw, and the makeup of the Judges lends some credence to that possiblity. Dave Moretti has turned in a lot of questionable cards over the years and CJ Ross has had her bad moments. Add to that the relatively inexperienced (at the top level at least) Metcalfe from Canada, although he did work Ward-Froch, and I can see where suspicions might be in the air. I still think Canelo is going to get schooled, but can you imagine the money generated for a rematch if a Draw happens? (preserving the undefeated records for both). We all know that Floyd values his "0" but for $100 Million would he take a "1" AFTER the Zero?

 

--- I expect more smoke and mirrors than even Sugar Ray Leonard used from Hagler forward.

 

Floydy's last 3 fights:

 

Ortiz was a farce with Ortiz netting a cushy role on the latest Hollywood Schartzenegger/Stalone celluroid cartoon pic thanks to playing his Floydy role so convincingly.

 

Good toe to toe action against Cotto who took his legs away early and beat him up some for the easiest loss in Cotto's career. Won't risk a repeat of that bit of nonsense from Floydy.

 

Did a perfect Macha Camacha running man impersonation against former feather champ Guerrero only 2 fights in as a welter. Promised to go toe to toe and acted all badded out in the prefight that netted him a consensus 6 point decision of an impossible to score bout. That's the expectation, that his mother is the ref and his cousins are the judges and he don't even have to fight anymore, just show up, pose in track togs and be showered with millions.... http://ringnews24.com/boxingforum/images/icons/icon6.png

[oneshot]

Re: What are we expecting from Floyd on Saturday?

 

He'll potshot Canelo to death and people will say he ran but what is he supposed to do trade with the guy who will be the guy who will be a middleweight in 2 years.

 

There will be a rematch at 154 right before Canelo moves up to 160, Showtime still will owe Floyd guarantee 136 million dollars, no one is messing with Floyd when that much money is involved.

[gavpowell]

Re: What are we expecting from Floyd on Saturday?

 

 

Did a perfect Macha Camacha running man impersonation against former feather champ Guerrero only 2 fights in as a welter.

 

Yeah, only 2 fights in as a welter, yet you were talking him up as beating Floyd before that fight "Floyd doesn't realise what a mistake he's made, what's coming on Saturday" etc etc.

 

Mayweather fought from distance, certainly, but if Guerrero couldn't work out how to close the ring off, that's hardly Mayweather's problem.

 

I don't understand how you can be all over the Klitschkos as potential all-time great heavies yet lambast Mayweather as a coward and a blowhard for using essentially the same style.

[battlingsiki]

Re: What are we expecting from Floyd on Saturday?

 

Get memories of when Pernell Whitaker faced Julio Cesar Vasquez. The One could be very similar. I expect Canelo to do well and have his moments in a closer than expected fight. Mayweather SD 12.

[brooklynbrawler]

Re: What are we expecting from Floyd on Saturday?

 

I'm not convinced this one will be close, and I refuse to believe the draw conspiracies as Floyd would be having none of that.

He'll make the same amount of money winning and facing another opponent.

 

It might be a close fight in reality, but on paper, I can only see a wide Floyd UD.

 

Has he slowed down a little? Yes

Has he lost some of those reflexes thaqt made him what he is? Yes

Does he get more involved now than he used to? Yes

 

All of these things SHOULD point to a cracking and close bout against a bigger man, but I'm not convinced we'll see it...

[BoztheMadman]

Re: What are we expecting from Floyd on Saturday?

 

We'll see the passing of the torch methinks, young lion takes it over from the old lion. I don't think Canelo can knock Floyd out but he can hurt him for sure.

[davemurphy]

Re: What are we expecting from Floyd on Saturday?

 

Quite simply, Floyd's beaten guys with Canelo's skill set before, and I just don't understand why people think a slight size advantage will combat what I perceive to be a HUGE advantage in speed. Mayweather critics still seem to think you can muscle him around the Ring, are they ever going to learn? The questionable trio of judges has me more concerned than what Canelo brings to the Ring, I think Moretti, Ms. Ross, and the Canadian that scored Ward-Froch too close are looking to lay down a controversial draw (keeping everybodies "zero" intact and setting up the richest fight ever in a rematch) but quite simply, not sure Canelo can deliver anything close TO a competitive effort In order to pull off the heist. School will be in session and Floyd Mayweather has the lesson plan, a comfortable decision victory by 5 or 6 pts. MAYWEATHER BY UD.

Edited September 10, 2013 by davemurphy

[BoztheMadman]

Re: What are we expecting from Floyd on Saturday?

 

Quite simply, Floyd's beaten guys with Canelo's skill set before, and I just don't understand why people think a slight size advantage will combat what I perceive to be a HUGE advantage in speed. Mayweather critics still seem to think you can muscle him around the Ring, are they ever going to learn? The questionable trio of judges has me more concerned than what Canelo brings to the Ring, I think Moretti, Ms. Ross, and the Canadian that scored Ward-Froch too close are looking to lay down a controversial draw (keeping everybodies "zero" intact and setting up the richest fight ever in a rematch) but quite simply, not sure Canelo can deliver anything close TO a competitive effort In order to pull off the heist. School will be in session and Floyd Mayweather has the lesson plan, a comfortable decision victory by 5 or 6 pts. MAYWEATHER BY UD.

 

You are giving Floyd too much credit-this ain't 2010, this is 2013. And you cannot seriously claim the mileage hasn't shown on Floyd since then. Canelo is no master boxer but he brings constant pressure and his iq has improved. He doesn't just throw and throw anymore however, he has learned to be patient and wait for his opportunity, as evidenced in the Trout fight. But unlike some other of Floyd's opponents, he doesn't hesitate either. Not saying he WILL win for sure but the chances are there. The size IS in his favour, the age IS in his favour, the power IS in his favour and he got an enormous, cult following and you can't say that doesn't matter.

[LondonRingRules]

Re: What are we expecting from Floyd on Saturday?

 

Quite simply, Floyd's beaten guys with Canelo's skill set before, and I just don't understand why people think a slight size advantage will combat what I perceive to be a HUGE advantage in speed. Mayweather critics still seem to think you can muscle him around the Ring, are they ever going to learn?

 

--- Canelo fights at 170lbs, Floydy at 150, that's big middle or an average supermiddle against a tiny jrmiddle, a huge difference in size, strength, and punch, the reason nobody believed Floydy would ever fight Trout or Canelo.

 

However, he was pleased with his 10 rounds of non engagement against Guerrero that was a complete flip of his full 12 rds of engagement against Cotto and Mosley, thus his strategy to fight a punchless, non contact running fight and let the judges annoint him victor again.

 

And yes he can get muscled around the ring as Augustus, Hernandez, Castillo showed and Mosley tried to show but was kept off him by the ref. Cotto certainly muscled him into the corner to pummel him endlessly, so what makes you think that Canelo ain't the best and the biggest and strongest he's ever faced before?

Edited September 10, 2013 by LondonRingRules

[gavpowell]

Re: What are we expecting from Floyd on Saturday?

 

Weird how Mayweather "ran away...non-contact, punchless fight" and yet Guerrero ended the fight bruised and cut. That must be some dangerous sweat he's got if nobody was hitting him.

 

I think this will be a similar display of moving, slipping and punching. I don't think Mayweather will be too troubled by Alvarez unless he stays in the pocket too long.

Edited September 10, 2013 by gavpowell

[davemurphy]

Re: What are we expecting from Floyd on Saturday?

 

You are giving Floyd too much credit-this ain't 2010, this is 2013. And you cannot seriously claim the mileage hasn't shown on Floyd since then. Canelo is no master boxer but he brings constant pressure and his iq has improved. He doesn't just throw and throw anymore however, he has learned to be patient and wait for his opportunity, as evidenced in the Trout fight. But unlike some other of Floyd's opponents, he doesn't hesitate either. Not saying he WILL win for sure but the chances are there. The size IS in his favour, the age IS in his favour, the power IS in his favour and he got an enormous, cult following and you can't say that doesn't matter.

 

Patience won't be a virtue come Saturday night. With age comes inexperience and while you see the Trout fight as a positive comparison, I see it the other way, I actually thought he lost that one, and to compare Austin with his limited title fight experience to Floyd is pretty questionable. I think he'll be confused and hesitant Saturday after the third round when Floyd makes his standard adjustments and Canelo, already serving up his best game, has nowhere else to go. We will see.

[davemurphy]

Re: What are we expecting from Floyd on Saturday?

 

--- Canelo fights at 170lbs, Floydy at 150, that's big middle or an average supermiddle against a tiny jrmiddle, a huge difference in size, strength, and punch, the reason nobody believed Floydy would ever fight Trout or Canelo.

 

However, he was pleased with his 10 rounds of non engagement against Guerrero that was a complete flip of his full 12 rds of engagement against Cotto and Mosley, thus his strategy to fight a punchless, non contact running fight and let the judges annoint him victor again.

 

And yes he can get muscled around the ring as Augustus, Hernandez, Castillo showed and Mosley tried to show but was kept off him by the ref. Cotto certainly muscled him into the corner to pummel him endlessly, so what makes you think that Canelo ain't the best and the biggest and strongest he's ever faced before?

 

Inexperience. The first four you named had all kinds of experience over Floyd at the time they fought (only the Mosley fight has happened in the last decade, and that was a cakewalk after Rd 2), and Cotto fought the fight of his life and also had a resume that makes Canelo's look like a joke. Every since he popped onto the scene getting dropped by Cotto's smaller Brother on the Floyd-Marquez undercard, the redheaded step-child has been fed easy and pretty much gifted a title....Baldomir, Ndou, Hatton's little brother, Ryan Rhodes, Alfonso Gomez about eight years after The Contender, used up Cintron, and finally fighting Shane on the backend of his career and then the unproven Trout. We'll see if he can even give Floyd good sparring some Saturday night, I have my doubts.

[davemurphy]

Re: What are we expecting from Floyd on Saturday?

 

 

Mayweather fought from distance, certainly, but if Guerrero couldn't work out how to close the ring off, that's hardly Mayweather's problem.

 

I don't understand how you can be all over the Klitschkos as potential all-time great heavies yet lambast Mayweather as a coward and a blowhard for using essentially the same style.

 

Why anyone thinks it was Floyd's fault for making it easy sparring instead of giving them the war that they foolishly expected by standing still and waiting for Guererro to cut the Ring off is beyond me. It's called Ring Smarts.......and come Saturday one guy will have them, and it's NOT Canelo Alvarez. Get ready for the Check Hook Express.

[iamasadlittleboy]

Re: What are we expecting from Floyd on Saturday?

 

Been playing Fight Night recently (against a bunch of cheating wankers), if you don't trade with the cheats you get called a runner even when you out land them...(Not really on topic but still seems relevant)

[gavpowell]

Re: What are we expecting from Floyd on Saturday?

 

Patience won't be a virtue come Saturday night.

 

 

"Patience is a virtue only in children and the imprisoned." - Hanif Kureishi.

[LondonRingRules]

Re: What are we expecting from Floyd on Saturday?

 

Inexperience. The first four you named had all kinds of experience over Floyd at the time they fought (only the Mosley fight has happened in the last decade, and that was a cakewalk after Rd 2), and Cotto fought the fight of his life and also had a resume that makes Canelo's look like a joke. Every since he popped onto the scene getting dropped by Cotto's smaller Brother on the Floyd-Marquez undercard, the redheaded step-child has been fed easy and pretty much gifted a title....Baldomir, Ndou, Hatton's little brother, Ryan Rhodes, Alfonso Gomez about eight years after The Contender, used up Cintron, and finally fighting Shane on the backend of his career and then the unproven Trout. We'll see if he can even give Floyd good sparring some Saturday night, I have my doubts.

 

--- Dave, Dave, where to start?

 

Canelo's never been dropped to my knowledge. Cotto got knocked down early and became desperate on the cards he was losing badly, so he finally stunned Canelo with a looping right hand that sounded like a shotgun blast, would've stunned anyone. Canelo covered and 5 sec later he was pounding on Cotto again, knocking him out a few rounds later, Cotto a fighter who had never been stopped or seriously hurt before. Like I stated, Canelo is ahead of 23 yr old Floydy at the same point in time. Floydy has never challenged a prime fighter near as good as hisself in his whole career, and here Canelo is in his 7th title fight against the last untarnished American legend remaining in boxing.

 

No wonder you're running off half cocked in this one. There's nothing left in American boxing but geezers, wheezers and Giampa's young boys if Floydy loses. No wonder Oscar had to check into rehab. The latest edition of Ring asks what happens to Floydy legacy if he loses.....gasp!

[davemurphy]

Re: What are we expecting from Floyd on Saturday?

 

--- Dave, Dave, where to start?

 

Canelo's never been dropped to my knowledge. Cotto got knocked down early and became desperate on the cards he was losing badly, so he finally stunned Canelo with a looping right hand that sounded like a shotgun blast, would've stunned anyone. Canelo covered and 5 sec later he was pounding on Cotto again, knocking him out a few rounds later, Cotto a fighter who had never been stopped or seriously hurt before. Like I stated, Canelo is ahead of 23 yr old Floydy at the same point in time. Floydy has never challenged a prime fighter near as good as hisself in his whole career, and here Canelo is in his 7th title fight against the last untarnished American legend remaining in boxing.

 

No wonder you're running off half cocked in this one. There's nothing left in American boxing but geezers, wheezers and Giampa's young boys if Floydy l0oses. No wonder Oscar had to check into rehab. The latest edition of Ring asks what happens to Floydy legacy if he loses.....gasp!

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I was thinking he was down, but I guess maybe he wasn't, but he was certainly on the edge of being stopped. At the movie theater in front of me, there was a black guy that made the comment "Man, Opie getting his ass kicked" that broke everybody up(the Ron Howard reference aside, it wasn't any damn five seconds, I remember that much). As to who's better at 23, what the hell does that have to do with ANYTHING? They're not meeting as 23-year-olds, unless you have time machine access. I have news for you, this kid is SERIOUSLY overrated and your right that if Floyd's never challenged any fighter near as good as himself in his career, then guess what? He isn't Saturday either :) Oscar's checked into Rehab because he knows seeing his young charge getting turned and walking into counters is something that'll drive a guy to drink :)

[davemurphy]

Re: What are we expecting from Floyd on Saturday?

 

"Patience is a virtue only in children and the imprisoned." - Hanif Kureishi.

 

.....and certainly not totally confused Jr Middleweights that can't find an opening or cut the Ring off on a much faster foe :laugh: