WelshDevilRob Posted June 14, 2010 Share Posted June 14, 2010 Is Aaron Pryor a Great? Reason, I ask is because I don't recall people mentioning his name as a Great. Here's a video. (Be warned it contains strong language) <object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value=" name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src=" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object> Great or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted June 14, 2010 Share Posted June 14, 2010 I've only seen about 7 or 8 fights, but he looked absolutely unbeatable at light welter, and the fights with Arguello are all-time classics. On the other hand I don't think the rest of his opposition was anything special was it? And there's the black bottle affair to take into account, plus the fact Arguello never really made it at LWW. I think he's probably another Tyson - we'll remember him for the awe he could inspire on his day, but lament the wasted potential of a life gone off the rails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted June 14, 2010 Share Posted June 14, 2010 Yes he's a great. To add to Gav the way he has turned his life around is rather admirable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonRingRules Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 Re: Is Aaron Pryor a Great? Is Aaron Pryor a Great? Reason, I ask is because I don't recall people mentioning his name as a Great. ------- Guess all my good works on Pryor have been for naught. Better record than his era peer Leonard: Pryor: 11-0, 9KO title and better career record, 39-1, 35 KO in 218 career rds Leonard: 10-2-1, 8 KO title, 36-3-1, 25 KO career in 305 rds. Pryor also retired with a perfect record of 36-0, 32 KO with a detached retina and a drug problem before he made a somewhat ill fated comeback 3-1, 3 KO that didn't land him a title shot. Also beat Hearns before Leonard did and had fighters ducking him because he tended to ruin fighters in the ring and he did this all without the high powered network contract and trainers Leonard had, just unrelenting natural talent. Ama record of 204-16 compared to Leonard 145-5. Just sayin....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheelchair Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 He was a great fighter that just happened to slip under many people's radar. A lack of big fights didn't help of course. Arguello excepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donlevy Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 Perhaps,but just barely.He's still very overrated,in my view.He had could have been greater,but rather than capitalize on his huge victory over Arguello,he sought to ruin himself and his career.Actually,he came close to doing so a couple years previous with some of the retarded decisions he and his management made. He had one great fight and looked mediocre most other times.Miguel Montilla,Dujan Johnson and Leonidas Asprilla are not exceptional fighters,and yet they made him look very,very ordinary. He got the gift against Hinton,but it's quite clear he was done as an elite fighter by then,so it would be silly to hold that against him. based on resume,Chavez is the greater JWW,although it's anyones fight head to head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBride Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 Re: Is Aaron Pryor a Great? Is Aaron Pryor a Great? Reason, I ask is because I don't recall people mentioning his name as a Great. ------- Guess all my good works on Pryor have been for naught. Better record than his era peer Leonard: Pryor: 11-0, 9KO title and better career record, 39-1, 35 KO in 218 career rds Leonard: 10-2-1, 8 KO title, 36-3-1, 25 KO career in 305 rds. Pryor also retired with a perfect record of 36-0, 32 KO with a detached retina and a drug problem before he made a somewhat ill fated comeback 3-1, 3 KO that didn't land him a title shot. Also beat Hearns before Leonard did and had fighters ducking him because he tended to ruin fighters in the ring and he did this all without the high powered network contract and trainers Leonard had, just unrelenting natural talent. Ama record of 204-16 compared to Leonard 145-5. Just sayin....... You must mean as an ama, cos they didn't meet as pro's, but yes you are right he is a great. Not his fault at all that most guys didn't want to get in with a relentless punching machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheelchair Posted June 15, 2010 Share Posted June 15, 2010 Re: Is Aaron Pryor a Great? Ama record of 204-16 compared to Leonard 145-5. Just sayin....... What are we to conclude from this? They both have good amateur records. More wins for Pryor and less defeats for Leonard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOVO1977 Posted September 10, 2010 Share Posted September 10, 2010 Las 2 peleas con Aléxis Argüello son 2 clásicos, 2 de las mejores peleas de todos los tiempos. El resto de los rivales que enfrentó no tienen gran nombre salvo Cervantes, que estaba en claro descenso. Pero sólo por las 2 peleas con el nicaraguense merece ser recordado como un grande. .By Wheelchair- "I've tried to translate this...." The two fights with Alexis Arguello are two classics, two of the best fights of all time. The rest of the opponents he faced no great name but Cervantes, who was in clear decline. But only for the two fights with the Nicaraguan deserves to be remembered as a big plus. Post edited by Wheelchair for translation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juaasu Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 Absolutely great...any doubt?? Ask to Arguello, what a fights!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapevine241 Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 borderline great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAZZ-MCFC Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 strong shout from Bobby Mac saying he was better than Sugar Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheelchair Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 strong shout from Bobby Mac saying he was better than Sugar Ray Pryor didn't achieve enough in his career to be ranked with Leonard. His only signature fights were against a smaller man, Arguello. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAZZ-MCFC Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 strong shout from Bobby Mac saying he was better than Sugar Ray Pryor didn't achieve enough in his career to be ranked with Leonard. His only signature fights were against a smaller man, Arguello. my feelings also i reckon SRl was a much better technical boxer anyway in terms of a pure boxer there ain't many who match SRL in that area bar SRR and possibly 1 or 2 others Pryor probably had better power but that's all in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donlevy Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 Pryor was a volume puncher rather a genuine one-punch ko artist.Leonard could knock opponents out with a single blow.Very,very underrated puncher Leonard was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAZZ-MCFC Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 Pryor was a volume puncher rather a genuine one-punch ko artist.Leonard could knock opponents out with a single blow.Very,very underrated puncher Leonard was. anything i say about Leonard is probably biased anyway as he's my all time favourite fighter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheelchair Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 Pryor was a volume puncher rather a genuine one-punch ko artist.Leonard could knock opponents out with a single blow.Very,very underrated puncher Leonard was. Suprisingly though, Leonard's KO % is a mere 62.5% Pryor's is 87.5% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAZZ-MCFC Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 Pryor was a volume puncher rather a genuine one-punch ko artist.Leonard could knock opponents out with a single blow.Very,very underrated puncher Leonard was. Suprisingly though, Leonard's KO % is a mere 62.5% Pryor's is 87.5% remember though, have to take quality of opposition into account Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheelchair Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 Indeed Razz, which is why mere stats never tell the full story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAZZ-MCFC Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 Indeed Razz, which is why mere stats never tell the full story. there's only really Arguello and Cervantes who stands out on his record SRL you've got the likes of Hearns, Hagler, Duran, Benitez, Shields Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted October 27, 2010 Author Share Posted October 27, 2010 Indeed Razz, which is why mere stats never tell the full story. there's only really Arguello and Cervantes who stands out on his record SRL you've got the likes of Hearns, Hagler, Duran, Benitez, Shields Records say one thing. Avoiding an opponent speaks more. Maybe Duran forgot there was a Jnr.Welterweight division? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheelchair Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 Indeed Razz, which is why mere stats never tell the full story. there's only really Arguello and Cervantes who stands out on his record SRL you've got the likes of Hearns, Hagler, Duran, Benitez, Shields Records say one thing. Avoiding an opponent speaks more. Maybe Duran forgot there was a Jnr.Welterweight division? Pryor wasn't a champion when Duran fought Leonard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAZZ-MCFC Posted October 27, 2010 Share Posted October 27, 2010 Indeed Razz, which is why mere stats never tell the full story. there's only really Arguello and Cervantes who stands out on his record SRL you've got the likes of Hearns, Hagler, Duran, Benitez, Shields Records say one thing. Avoiding an opponent speaks more. Maybe Duran forgot there was a Jnr.Welterweight division? what you on about Rob? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donlevy Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 Suprisingly though, Leonard's KO % is a mere 62.5% Pryor's is 87.5% remember though, have to take quality of opposition into account Pretty much.Leonard had quite a few of his fights go the distance when he was still a prospect and adapting to the professional game too. Vitali klitschko has a higher knockout percentage than Mike Tyson,but nobody could convince me that he hit harder than him though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemurphy Posted October 28, 2010 Share Posted October 28, 2010 Pryor was a volume puncher rather a genuine one-punch ko artist.Leonard could knock opponents out with a single blow.Very,very underrated puncher Leonard was. Suprisingly though, Leonard's KO % is a mere 62.5% Pryor's is 87.5% Yeah, true, but don't forget that Leonard ended his career with everything but LaLonde going the distance (even Camacho lowers the percentage, because it was RAY that got stopped lol// ). Leonard didn't fight all that many fights, so the pct. went down pretty quickly toward the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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