Wheelchair Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 MANILA, Philippines – A year after his stunning 2nd round loss to Manny Pacquiao, British boxer Ricky Hatton has voiced suspicion that the Filipino champion may be using performance enhancing drugs (PEDs). Hatton, who has stayed away from boxing since getting knocked out by Pacquiao, said he should have made the same blood testing demand as Floyd Mayweather Jr., whose fight against Pacquiao fell through last year. “I could have had those rules, but I wasn’t bothered,” Hatton said in a report posted on UAE news website The National. “Maybe in hindsight, I should have done.” Hatton admitted he may have underestimated Pacquiao and this could have caused his loss. “I must admit, I fancied my chances against Manny,” he said. He said that he was astonished at Pacquiao’s punching power, which demolished bigger men like Oscar de la Hoya and Miguel Cotto. In the report, Hatton erred in saying that Pacquiao was knocked down by a smaller Juan Manuel Marquez. The Filipino faced Marquez twice, scoring a draw in their first fight in 2004. Pacquiao won via a split decision in the second bout in 2008. Although Pacquiao had a hard time beating the Mexican champion, he did not get knocked down in both matches. “A few years ago, he was getting knocked down by little men like Marquez, then all of a sudden, he is knocking out Oscar de la Hoya, myself and Cotto, who are powerhouses in comparison,” said the Briton. “It is a little bit strange. He could be on what Floyd is accusing him of [performance-enhancing substances], or it could be that he is just a great fighter who has improved. We will never know,” he added. Meanwhile, the Nevada State Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC) appears to have sided with Pacquiao over the blood testing issue, saying that such tests should not be done close to the fight. The NSAC cited a medical analysis which says drawing blood close to a fight may cause “hematomas, infections or other injuries.” Fanhouse boxing editor Lem Satterfield on Thursday reported the results of a NSAC hearing regarding testing for steroids or other illegal substances. The results favor Pacquiao instead of Mayweather's demand for random blood-testing Olympic style, which would require blood being drawn “all the way to the fight.” Dr. David Watson, the former chief ringside physician, said the negative effects of blood-testing can take place if it is conducted “within three weeks of a fight.” Pacquiao has already agreed to Mayweather’s demand that he undergo blood tests 14 days before fight night. The blood testing issue was the main reason for the collapse of the negotiations for a Pacquiao-Mayweather fight in May 2009 http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/sports/06/10/10/hatton-now-also-claims-pacquiao-may-be-drugs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheelchair Posted June 10, 2010 Author Share Posted June 10, 2010 A case of sour grapes from the now rather portly ex-champ Hatton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 ...could it just be that manny has...you know...started eating properly and not needed to drain himself? He hardly knocked Oscar out either...just boxed rings around him. Thing is Hatton has been on the slide since Kostya beat the punch resistance out of him, Collazo proved that. *aimed at the article and not Wheels* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donlevy Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 It's getting a little silly now.Obviously that loss and the way it happened hurt Hatton,and understandably so,but he's been clutching at straws for over a year now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapevine241 Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 hatton, you lost because you just rushed in, got caught, and grossly underestimated pacquiao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 He doesn't accuse him of anythign - he just says we don't know. Well we don't. How can any of you say he definitely isn't on drugs? We don't know what any fighter is or isn't taking unless it shows up on a test and tyhe resaults are publicised, or in Mosley's case they admit it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 Funeka just got a 9 month ban and 1/3 of his purse kept by Nevada for using diuretics. The way Hatton used to lose weight.................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 The NSAC cited a medical analysis which says drawing blood close to a fight may cause “hematomas, infections or other injuries.” Don't say that to Dr Goodman, she reckons every fighter should under go some $500 thing for every fight...which includes blood tests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skav Posted June 10, 2010 Share Posted June 10, 2010 I agree with iamasadlittleboy, Manny was malnourished as a kid and the Phillipines is a 3rd world country. It's not a stretch to imagine that his body has grown into it's natural weight and that could be the reason why his punch resistance wasn't as good at the lighter weights. He also faced better fighters back then ie Barrera, Morales, Marquez etc. Oscar was shot, Hatton was, retrospectively, overrated and Cotto was a mercy stoppage who could have hung onto the final bell otherwise. I don't see anything dodgy about his wins at Welter but then I am a Manny fan. I do try to come up with reasonable theories and facts to see how he could not be on drugs. It was Mayweather Sr who started this, after all, he's not exactly the type of guy people want to listen to, especially as his brother said Manny is on the same drugs that once made the filipino military resistant to gun shot wounds and made them like the terminator. That statement sealed their stupidity for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooklynbrawler Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 If you actually look at the facts, Ricky Hatton was the only guy above lightweight who Manny knocked out cleanly. Oscar was shot and just not throwing anything back, so rightfully got stopped in a stinker of a fight. Cotto hit the deck a few times, but he's hit the deck in a few other fights too. The fact is he never had a plan B in the fight and this ultimately cost him, because he just kept running onto Manny punches, and the stoppage was to save him from further punishment because he was not in the fight at all. Clottey was barely hurt in their fight, but was never in it either. So to sum up, Hatton. Going in face first against anyone is hardly a boxing tactic, and no amount of drugs were going to prevent you getting knocked the f*ck out, when your defense is non-existant. ....I'm surprised he's not accusing Floyd as well, given Ricky is the only guy he's knocked out in 5 years! The fact is Manny has been knocking everyone out at every weight class. If you discount his 5 decisions inside the first 7 (4-8 rounders) fights, then he would be looking at a KO ratio of 85%~ which is immense for any smaller guy anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brick Top Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 Bad headline, he doesnt claim he's on drugs just points out what everyone else is thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonRingRules Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 Re: Hatton now also claims Pacquiao may be taking drugs Hatton erred in saying that Pacquiao was knocked down by a smaller Juan Manuel Marquez. ---------- Hatton erred by opening his pie hole and not filling it with pie. Guess Hatton has gone from being a fighting "man of the people" to a bloated GBP corporate shill, falling in line with the shot from top down Floydy Sr who apparently runs GBP in spirit. There was a lot of hope when Golden Boy was launched, but with the Maidana situation, drug accusations leading to the Pacquiao lawsuit and the Khan/Malignaggi weighin travesty, clearly Oscar has gone over to the dark side. To date, and it's been some 4 months now and countless fights, only two GB fighters have undergone WADA testing........completely shameless GBP are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironman Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 Bad headline, he doesnt claim he's on drugs just points out what everyone else is thinking. Exactly what I was thinking, nothing but gutter press. Hatton only said what has been on alot of minds since Mayweather opened his mouth and thats that we don't know, he never actually accused him of anything and I doubt he ever would because they are friendly with each other and both work with Goldenboy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBride Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 Bad headline, he doesnt claim he's on drugs just points out what everyone else is thinking. Exactly what I was thinking, nothing but gutter press. Hatton only said what has been on alot of minds since Mayweather opened his mouth and thats that we don't know, he never actually accused him of anything and I doubt he ever would because they are friendly with each other and both work with Goldenboy. That doesn't or indeed wont prevent the Packeeow fanboys mounting their pathetic white chargers and coming out with insulting garbage about anyone who dares to even comment on the situation. The fact that Hatton accused nobody of anything doesn't register in their perverted brains. As for the excuses / reasons why he couldn't possibly be taking PED's I have to admit my favourite is the one about him being malnourished and finally growing into his natural weight 2 years ago at the age of ( wait for it ) 29. Priceless. ?// mlol/ mlol/ mlol/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 Bad headline, he doesnt claim he's on drugs just points out what everyone else is thinking. Exactly what I was thinking, nothing but gutter press. Hatton only said what has been on alot of minds since Mayweather opened his mouth and thats that we don't know, he never actually accused him of anything and I doubt he ever would because they are friendly with each other and both work with Goldenboy. That doesn't or indeed wont prevent the Packeeow fanboys mounting their pathetic white chargers and coming out with insulting garbage about anyone who dares to even comment on the situation. The fact that Hatton accused nobody of anything doesn't register in their perverted brains. As for the excuses / reasons why he couldn't possibly be taking PED's I have to admit my favourite is the one about him being malnourished and finally growing into his natural weight 2 years ago at the age of ( wait for it ) 29. Priceless. ?// mlol/ mlol/ mlol/ of course george carpentier was on drugs too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skav Posted June 11, 2010 Share Posted June 11, 2010 Bad headline, he doesnt claim he's on drugs just points out what everyone else is thinking. Exactly what I was thinking, nothing but gutter press. Hatton only said what has been on alot of minds since Mayweather opened his mouth and thats that we don't know, he never actually accused him of anything and I doubt he ever would because they are friendly with each other and both work with Goldenboy. That doesn't or indeed wont prevent the Packeeow fanboys mounting their pathetic white chargers and coming out with insulting garbage about anyone who dares to even comment on the situation. The fact that Hatton accused nobody of anything doesn't register in their perverted brains. As for the excuses / reasons why he couldn't possibly be taking PED's I have to admit my favourite is the one about him being malnourished and finally growing into his natural weight 2 years ago at the age of ( wait for it ) 29. Priceless. ?// mlol/ mlol/ mlol/ Those three words and number are priceless from you. Age has nothing to do with it! If you are as experienced in boxing as you say you are (and no doubt you will tell me how experienced in nutrition you are too like I am), it's rather an easy feat to keep your weight down from it's natural weight, especially if you are an athlete. He's not Hatton and doesn't balloon up to 154 where Hatton's body wants to be. Why do you think Roach has made Khan go up a weight? He didn't make him go up because it is easier competition up there, did he. Miguel Cotto is another example. Why did he start to take punches better at 147? Is it starting to make sense to you yet? The body itself decides what weight it is comfortable at, the person in charge of it cannot dictate that. It's a credible (and old) theory and technique, something you are unable to obviously grasp. If you believe Pacquia is on PED's, why don't you get to work on discrediting Oscar being shot and Hatton's loss to him being another fluke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBride Posted June 12, 2010 Share Posted June 12, 2010 Bad headline, he doesnt claim he's on drugs just points out what everyone else is thinking. Exactly what I was thinking, nothing but gutter press. Hatton only said what has been on alot of minds since Mayweather opened his mouth and thats that we don't know, he never actually accused him of anything and I doubt he ever would because they are friendly with each other and both work with Goldenboy. That doesn't or indeed wont prevent the Packeeow fanboys mounting their pathetic white chargers and coming out with insulting garbage about anyone who dares to even comment on the situation. The fact that Hatton accused nobody of anything doesn't register in their perverted brains. As for the excuses / reasons why he couldn't possibly be taking PED's I have to admit my favourite is the one about him being malnourished and finally growing into his natural weight 2 years ago at the age of ( wait for it ) 29. Priceless. ?// mlol/ mlol/ mlol/ Those three words and number are priceless from you. Age has nothing to do with it! If you are as experienced in boxing as you say you are (and no doubt you will tell me how experienced in nutrition you are too like I am), it's rather an easy feat to keep your weight down from it's natural weight, especially if you are an athlete. He's not Hatton and doesn't balloon up to 154 where Hatton's body wants to be. Why do you think Roach has made Khan go up a weight? He didn't make him go up because it is easier competition up there, did he. Miguel Cotto is another example. Why did he start to take punches better at 147? Is it starting to make sense to you yet? The body itself decides what weight it is comfortable at, the person in charge of it cannot dictate that. It's a credible (and old) theory and technique, something you are unable to obviously grasp. If you believe Pacquia is on PED's, why don't you get to work on discrediting Oscar being shot and Hatton's loss to him being another fluke. You are a bit of a pompous numpty when all things are considered aren't you? I couldn't give a fuck what you either know, or think you know about nutrition, as it is completely irrelevant to the excuse given. So to try to make things easier for you, if and when you get your head out of you're own, and Packeeows arse. The claim was he's GROWN into his natural weight. The human body does not GROW at the age of 29, nutrition or no nutrition. Weight control, and GROWTH are not the same thing. So stop using your nuthugging of Packeeow to promote your smugness. It only makes you look foolish. The same criteria applies to Carpentier, and indeed Duran. Although they like Packeeow, both started out fighting as teenagers at much lower weights than they progresssed to, they were not still GROWING at the age of 29. I personally couldn't care less whether or not Packeeow takes any kind of drugs, but like Kerrminator says, I'd be interested to know why his head has actually got bigger in the last couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted June 12, 2010 Share Posted June 12, 2010 Wow James Toney sure didn't grow after the age of 29...oh...he did...Adamek has settled at the weight he was at at 29...oh...he didn't....(in fact Adameks put more weight on since 2007 than Pacquaio since 1995 42 lbs to 39 and 3/4). Pacquiao's height is 5 foot 6 1/2 at 147 he's what the NHS would class as healthy (23.4 BMI) at 130 would be 20.7BMI the lower end of the accepted "healthy"range. Floyd Mayweather stands just an inch and a half taller. So it's not like he's got a body that is out of line with the weight Also it could well be partially down to not needing to drain down (the weight) and weaken himself feeling more comfortable at the weight he walks around at? Unlike fighters that have to drain down, he may well have been having to do so to make 130? How much did Gatti put on for the Gamache fight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skav Posted June 12, 2010 Share Posted June 12, 2010 Bad headline, he doesnt claim he's on drugs just points out what everyone else is thinking. Exactly what I was thinking, nothing but gutter press. Hatton only said what has been on alot of minds since Mayweather opened his mouth and thats that we don't know, he never actually accused him of anything and I doubt he ever would because they are friendly with each other and both work with Goldenboy. That doesn't or indeed wont prevent the Packeeow fanboys mounting their pathetic white chargers and coming out with insulting garbage about anyone who dares to even comment on the situation. The fact that Hatton accused nobody of anything doesn't register in their perverted brains. As for the excuses / reasons why he couldn't possibly be taking PED's I have to admit my favourite is the one about him being malnourished and finally growing into his natural weight 2 years ago at the age of ( wait for it ) 29. Priceless. ?// mlol/ mlol/ mlol/ Those three words and number are priceless from you. Age has nothing to do with it! If you are as experienced in boxing as you say you are (and no doubt you will tell me how experienced in nutrition you are too like I am), it's rather an easy feat to keep your weight down from it's natural weight, especially if you are an athlete. He's not Hatton and doesn't balloon up to 154 where Hatton's body wants to be. Why do you think Roach has made Khan go up a weight? He didn't make him go up because it is easier competition up there, did he. Miguel Cotto is another example. Why did he start to take punches better at 147? Is it starting to make sense to you yet? The body itself decides what weight it is comfortable at, the person in charge of it cannot dictate that. It's a credible (and old) theory and technique, something you are unable to obviously grasp. If you believe Pacquia is on PED's, why don't you get to work on discrediting Oscar being shot and Hatton's loss to him being another fluke. You are a bit of a pompous numpty when all things are considered aren't you? I couldn't give a F*** what you either know, or think you know about nutrition, as it is completely irrelevant to the excuse given. So to try to make things easier for you, if and when you get your head out of you're own, and Packeeows arse. The claim was he's GROWN into his natural weight. The human body does not GROW at the age of 29, nutrition or no nutrition. Weight control, and GROWTH are not the same thing. So stop using your nuthugging of Packeeow to promote your smugness. It only makes you look foolish. The same criteria applies to Carpentier, and indeed Duran. Although they like Packeeow, both started out fighting as teenagers at much lower weights than they progresssed to, they were not still GROWING at the age of 29. I personally couldn't care less whether or not Packeeow takes any kind of drugs, but like Kerrminator says, I'd be interested to know why his head has actually got bigger in the last couple of years. First of all, curb the attitude! Don't sink this forum to the standards of Eastside scum. Ah, you are one of these people that nitpick every word. Fair enough, that's your own issue to deal with but no, my knowledge is not irrelevant to this subject, you just don't comprehend it. What word should I have used? I haven't got all day to choose words carefully to please you. And why is it people are accused of being a nuthugger when defending boxers with logical theories? I am not a particular fan of Khan but if his chin has improved, somewhat, due to his move to LW then I would give him credit for that. Behave and don't tar everyone with the same brush! Wow James Toney sure didn't grow after the age of 29...oh...he did...Adamek has settled at the weight he was at at 29...oh...he didn't....(in fact Adameks put more weight on since 2007 than Pacquaio since 1995 42 lbs to 39 and 3/4). Pacquiao's height is 5 foot 6 1/2 at 147 he's what the NHS would class as healthy (23.4 BMI) at 130 would be 20.7BMI the lower end of the accepted "healthy"range. Floyd Mayweather stands just an inch and a half taller. So it's not like he's got a body that is out of line with the weight Also it could well be partially down to not needing to drain down (the weight) and weaken himself feeling more comfortable at the weight he walks around at? Unlike fighters than have to drain down that hemay well have been having to do to make 130? How much did Gatti put on for the Gamache fight? Good post! Iamasadlittleboy gets it! According to boxrec, Gatti only put on 1 and a half pounds as he fought Munoz at 139 the fight before. Even before that, he fought Robinson in their second fight at 135. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted June 12, 2010 Share Posted June 12, 2010 Gatti put on 19lbs when he rehydrated...Manny puts on near enough nothing (Cotto, Oscar and Hatton fight night weights were all 140's) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skav Posted June 12, 2010 Share Posted June 12, 2010 Gatti put on 19lbs when he rehydrated...Manny puts on near enough nothing (Cotto, Oscar and Hatton fight night weights were all 140's) That explains how fresh he is on fight night. Who knows, though, Manny may well be on something but I really doubt it would even come out to the public. There would be paying off somewhere along the line to keep it hush hush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBride Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Wow James Toney sure didn't grow after the age of 29...oh...he did...Adamek has settled at the weight he was at at 29...oh...he didn't....(in fact Adameks put more weight on since 2007 than Pacquaio since 1995 42 lbs to 39 and 3/4). Pacquiao's height is 5 foot 6 1/2 at 147 he's what the NHS would class as healthy (23.4 BMI) at 130 would be 20.7BMI the lower end of the accepted "healthy"range. Floyd Mayweather stands just an inch and a half taller. So it's not like he's got a body that is out of line with the weight Also it could well be partially down to not needing to drain down (the weight) and weaken himself feeling more comfortable at the weight he walks around at? Unlike fighters that have to drain down, he may well have been having to do so to make 130? How much did Gatti put on for the Gamache fight? Wtf has any of the above garbage got to do with growing? PAckeeow, Toney, and any other you mention have been as tall as they are, with the same length limbs since they were between 20 -22 years of age, just the same as almost every other male on the planet. What they weigh is fuck all to do with the frankly hilarious and rightly ridiculed pathetic excuse by some Packeeow nuthuggers, as to why he couldn't possibly be taking steroids, which goes along the lines of, " he and his mother lived in poverty so he was malnourished as a kid, but now he's got a few quid he eats properly and has GROWN into his natural size and weight. I will always treat that sort of nuthugging garbage with the same contempt as the tooth fairy, or Father Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 He already said he doesn;t mean in terms of height, just physical development. Growth does not specifically have to refer to height. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Wow James Toney sure didn't grow after the age of 29...oh...he did...Adamek has settled at the weight he was at at 29...oh...he didn't....(in fact Adameks put more weight on since 2007 than Pacquaio since 1995 42 lbs to 39 and 3/4). Pacquiao's height is 5 foot 6 1/2 at 147 he's what the NHS would class as healthy (23.4 BMI) at 130 would be 20.7BMI the lower end of the accepted "healthy"range. Floyd Mayweather stands just an inch and a half taller. So it's not like he's got a body that is out of line with the weight Also it could well be partially down to not needing to drain down (the weight) and weaken himself feeling more comfortable at the weight he walks around at? Unlike fighters that have to drain down, he may well have been having to do so to make 130? How much did Gatti put on for the Gamache fight? Wtf has any of the above garbage got to do with growing? PAckeeow, Toney, and any other you mention have been as tall as they are, with the same length limbs since they were between 20 -22 years of age, just the same as almost every other male on the planet. What they weigh is F*** all to do with the frankly hilarious and rightly ridiculed pathetic excuse by some Packeeow nuthuggers, as to why he couldn't possibly be taking steroids, which goes along the lines of, " he and his mother lived in poverty so he was malnourished as a kid, but now he's got a few quid he eats properly and has GROWN into his natural size and weight. I will always treat that sort of nuthugging garbage with the same contempt as the tooth fairy, or Father Christmas. you do realise you can grow in more than 1 dimension right? We, as people, aren't straight 1D lines but 3D objects that can grow wider or, thicker...growing in mass/weight/muscle...If your arguement he is taking PED is based soly on the fact he's not a starving skinny little thing then you need to work out your own weight from you were a 15 year old... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mofo2 Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Oh STFU Ricky....he's on drugs now because he got wiped out by him mlol/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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