WelshDevilRob Posted May 19, 2010 Share Posted May 19, 2010 What in your opinion is bad about boxing? The sport has its high and lows and controversy but we still follow it. What are the bad things about the sport that you would like to change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheelchair Posted May 19, 2010 Share Posted May 19, 2010 The fact that there are more world title belts than you can shake a pointed stick at. Boxing also needs to return to free TV, and generate a much bigger fanbase than it has already. Governing bodies should also stop mismatches from happening, the BBBofC should clamp down on promoters like Warren who put on mismatch after mismatch for young prospects to win easily. There should also be a rule that you cannot fight for a world title unless you have won your country's domestic belt. That would stop poeple like Khan avoiding their domestic rivals, forcing good matchups to be made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapevine241 Posted May 19, 2010 Share Posted May 19, 2010 biggest problem to me is that promoters and managers often steer their fighters away from fighting the best and most significant fights so they can fight the easier fights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonRingRules Posted May 19, 2010 Share Posted May 19, 2010 There should also be a rule that you cannot fight for a world title unless you have won your country's domestic belt. That would stop poeple like Khan avoiding their domestic rivals, forcing good matchups to be made. ------- Think you'll find that solely a British viewpoint not widely held by the vast majority of fans. Why should Khan have his aspirations held back by such a limited agenda? The biggest drain on boxing is the hold the ABCs have over the sport with their ratings and mandatories almost always out of sorts to the major ratings, not to mention the suck they put on as a % of title fight purses. If they were honest brokers, nobody would begrudge them what they needed to run a credible org. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 People who talk a good fight annd then either fail to make the fight or get in the ring with clearly no intention of winning. Prime examples are Clottey v Pacquiao and Barrera-Pacquiao 2, Johnson and Chagaev v Klitschko, and currently David Haye v anyone in the heavyweight division. Stop issuing press releases and start issuing contracts or stop pretending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemurphy Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 I agree with gavpowell. It's got plenty to blame for it (Orgs who's ratings demand a fighter fight less than the best fight available, Promoters and Manages who cherrypick and prevent those from happening as well, and even some of the so called "Champions" (many of whom seem prefectly content on being "A Champion" as opposed to be "The Champion") but it's having to move Heaven and Earth to get a fight we want to see.....all the roadblocks and delays, posturing and running to the press. It just gets old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheelchair Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 There should also be a rule that you cannot fight for a world title unless you have won your country's domestic belt. That would stop poeple like Khan avoiding their domestic rivals, forcing good matchups to be made. ------- Think you'll find that solely a British viewpoint not widely held by the vast majority of fans. So what? It's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooklynbrawler Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 There should also be a rule that you cannot fight for a world title unless you have won your country's domestic belt. That would stop poeple like Khan avoiding their domestic rivals, forcing good matchups to be made. ------- Think you'll find that solely a British viewpoint not widely held by the vast majority of fans. So what? It's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. I actually quite like that thought myself. It would make the world titles less accessible, and therefore worth more, and would put all fighters through the same sort of progression, in a kind of "Champions League" format. My only concern, is for countries which produce a large number of good fighters in the same division. Some potentially great matches on the world scene would be thrown into obscure domestic matches for local belts. A lot of other great ideas though. I feel the worst thing about boxing is Pay Per View for almost any half interesting fight. It's killing viewing numbers and therefore the next generation of fans, and therefore the sport. Current boxers are obviously going to take the highest earnings they can anyway, due to the very nature of the sport, so until that changes, we'll never start the turnaround, and boxing will see a very sharp and steady decline. Mismatches also kill the sport, as do the number of world trinkets letting a division hold up to 3 or 4 guys who can legitimately claim to be "the best" without ever having to prove it inside the ring.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loaded_Gloves Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 Re: What in your opinion is bad about boxing? Refs being too quick to stop fights. I don't like to see stoppages in title fights after like 1 knock down. (Obviously if they are really out of it then it's correct to stop it.) Also, I think refs can be too quick to stop fights after multiple knockdowns, when in each case the fighter can get straight back up. Other than that, the main problem is the best fights not getting made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skav Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 Good thread! I don't think there's much more that I can add, to be honest, only reiterate what's been suggested ie less organisations and belts, less PPV's (only about 10 years ago, PPV's would be reserved for mega events), stop the over promotion of boxers who are prone to being found out ie Khan, calm the money side down and we should see the hunger rise in fighters to face the best opponents etc. I was going to say lack of talent but there's not much boxing can do about that except wait that out. Boxing will always shine when there is a massive star fighting ie Pacquiao or Mayweather but boxing is beating itself up right now and it annoys me when others say MMA is killing it when it isn't. If boxing dies, it will have killed itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapevine241 Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 another problem is that the majority of boxing journalism is SO amateur and unprofessional. they want to write about what is killing the sport, writing about what is killing the sport is killing the sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted May 20, 2010 Author Share Posted May 20, 2010 The main thing is that boxing hasn't a true Governing body like say football has in FIFA or Rugby Union has in IRB. They have tiers of control underneath in term's of continents and country's but are the overall governing body. At the last count boxing had 33 governing bodies claiming to represent the World. The original ones that had power made a mess that led to others forming organisations. I doubt it can ever be sorted out fully, we have to hope that the main governing bodies sort themselves out and the others fall to the way side. Though the historic WBA and WBC keep messing up with 'interim', 'silver' champions: Aslong as they do then nothing will change for the better. Things like fighters age limits, pensions etc can't be global until we have a global organisation rather than 33! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battlingsiki Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 1. Too many belts and divisions 2. Top flight fighters fighting twice a year 3. Corruption and steroids 4, The Klitchko bores Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheils Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 Boxing politics/bodies, fighters getting ripped off, lack of boxing on mainstream TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 greed by those involved, fighters, promoters, tv company's, world bodies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemurphy Posted May 21, 2010 Share Posted May 21, 2010 Things like fighters age limits, pensions etc can't be global until we have a global organisation rather than 33! What seperates Boxing from other Global Sports like Tennis, Golf, etc? I can't speak for Soccer (I'm sorry, FOOTBALL) but every other global sport that has a single ruling organization also has one other thing, a Players Union or at the very least a greivance process that doesn't include going to the very people that are screwing you over. What other sport spends as much time dealing with Courts and Lawyers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edsel77x Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 Greed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edsel77x Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 Pretty much what all are upset about. Fights not being made! How will we ever know who really is pound for pound top ten in this era when promoters managers are sheltering there fighters! They all act like gollum! As soon as they get a trinket, they get reaalllyyy ugly and start acting weird. Hiding from the public view, not wanting anyone to get a look at their precious! "My Precious" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 Does Tennis have a ruling body? ATP and LTA? Darts has BDO, PDC and then the confusion of the WDF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted August 28, 2010 Author Share Posted August 28, 2010 Things like fighters age limits, pensions etc can't be global until we have a global organisation rather than 33! What seperates Boxing from other Global Sports like Tennis, Golf, etc? I can't speak for Soccer (I'm sorry, FOOTBALL) but every other global sport that has a single ruling organization also has one other thing, a Players Union or at the very least a greivance process that doesn't include going to the very people that are screwing you over. What other sport spends as much time dealing with Courts and Lawyers? Soccer has FIFA as its governing body and has seperate bodies underneath it. Europe has UEFA and each country has its own Football Association. They all adhere to FIFA's rules. The sport of boxing needs a couple of commissions like the BBB of C and Nevada to break away and form a single governing body. Boxing as it stands is pretty much lawless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donlevy Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 Inactivity,cherry pickers,fighters who believe they are worth more than what they actually are.And more than anything,I hate these promoters and networks(HBO) who protect certain fighters and put no pressure on them to take on real challenges. Oddly enough,I was thinking about Andre Berto when I typed this out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted August 29, 2010 Author Share Posted August 29, 2010 Inactivity,cherry pickers,fighters who believe they are worth more than what they actually are.And more than anything,I hate these promoters and networks(HBO) who protect certain fighters and put no pressure on them to take on real challenges. Oddly enough,I was thinking about Andre Berto when I typed this out. I think Berto has been brought along very well. Competition has steadily got more difficult. I read on another site about bad matchmaking in boxing and throwing youngsters in too deep. I think Berto's career is anti that and the matchmakers deserve alot of credit. I am going to disagree with you on this one, Don and I know most times you are right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 Berto has been brought along better than guys with GBP can dream of being brought along Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapevine241 Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 berto has been brought along well competition-wise, but financially hes making way too much way to early which is preventing bigger fights being made for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted August 29, 2010 Author Share Posted August 29, 2010 If Toney loses tonight then I will say old boxers fighting in UFC. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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