WelshDevilRob Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 Bizarre ending to Williams vs Cintron In a non-title Jnr.Middleweight clash on HBO PPV, Paul Williams (39-1, 27 Ko's) won a 4th round technical split decision over Puerto Rican Kermit Cintron at the Home Depot Center, Carson, California, United States. After a fairly tentative opening round which was just edged by Cintron, the 2nd round was still pretty much a stalemate with neither man forcing the fight. Williams just nicked the round on workrate. The 3rd round again followed the same tentative fashion with Williams just doing enough. The fight had followed a pattern of Cintron looking to counter with big right hands with Williams looking to land his left. Williams usually high volume punching style was not evident and he missed with alot of jabs but had the overall higher workrate. The 4th and subsequently final round opened with Williams being more assertive and the two traded some heavy-shots. Then after Williams landed a right hand and ducked under a Cintron hook which helped 'The Punisher' to stumble to the ground, at the same time Cintron's momentum carried him straight through the ropes landing on his head and neck on a table outside the ring. Cinton (32-3-1, 28 Ko's) lay motionless but conscious for a few minutes while a doctor attended to him and it was the doctor who decided that Cintron should be taken to an ambulance on a stretcher, as a precautionary measure rather than fight on. A rematch would be the sensible option and the fight, while slow to get going, did look like it had ignited before the bizarre incident ended the contest. Source: http://ringnews24.com/index.php/site-map/boxing-news/fight-reports/512-bizarre-ending-to-williams-vs-cintron.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheelchair Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 Surely the fairest result is a no contest and a rematch. The judges scored the prematurely terminated bout 39-37, 40-36 Williams, 40-36 Cintron. I'm baffled by this, how can one judge give Williams every round, whilst another judge gives Cintron every round. If it had gone the distance, there could well have been some scoring controversy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted May 9, 2010 Author Share Posted May 9, 2010 It appeared that two of the judges actually scored the 4th round according to Jim Lampley on the HBO broadcast. Harold Lederman had it 2-1 to Williams but apart from the 3rd the 1st two rounds you could have given to Cintron. Bad, unsatisfactory ending to the fight. Sergio Martinez apparently ruled himself out of a fight with Williams instead favouring Mayweather or a rematch with Margarito. Also, the HBO team said Kelly Pavlik can no longger comfortably make Middleweight so that ruled out a return with Martinez. Williams vs Cintron need to have a rematch IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faulks Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 Im going to be a bit controversial and say i was glad williams got the decision.. It was one of the most ridiculas things ive seen. Clintron 'dived' thorough the ropes. Not his fault the Docs stopped it i suppose though it was all a bit suspicious to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheelchair Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 You're a hard man Faulks! mlol/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheelchair Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 More here from the Ring website... CARSON, Calif. -- It wasn’t Kermit Cintron’s night. How’s this for a bad turn of events just as his junior middleweight showdown with Paul Williams was getting interesting: He was tossed from the ring midway through the fourth round, shortly after rocking Williams with a big right hand. He banged his head on a ringside table and the floor of the Home Depot Center. The ringside physician, Dr. Paul Wallace, would not allow him to continue fighting even though he said he wanted to get back into the ring. Cintron was carried out of the outdoor tennis arena on a stretcher as it was being announced that he lost the three-and half-round fight by a technical split decision. It doesn’t get any worse than that. And Cintron’s promoter, Lou DiBella, was feeling the sting of his fighter’s misfortune shortly after the 40-36, 39-37 and 36-40 scorecards were read for Williams (39-1, 27 knockouts). It wasn’t so much the scorecards, which the New York-based promoter disagreed with, that irked DiBella. It was the fact that the scheduled 12-round bout was governed by the rules of the California State Athletic Commission, which allows a bout to go to the scorecards as long as three rounds have been completed and the fourth round has started. Under California rules, the fourth round of a bout that is stopped due to an accidental foul or injury is scored even if it only lasts a little over a minute as the round for Williams-Cintron did. “Who should get a loss after three and a half rounds?” DiBella pleaded to the ringside media, many of whom agreed that his fighter was winning at the time of the stoppage. “That shouldn’t count against my guy.” Under the Association of Boxing Commission’s unified rules, which usually govern title bouts and high-profile bouts scheduled for 12 rounds that take place in the U.S., four rounds must be completed before a fight can go to the scorecards. If a fight is stopped before the end of the fourth round the bout is declared a No Decision under the unified rules. DiBella and Cintron’s trainer Ronnie Shields believe a No Decision was the correct call in a professional bout that ended before it really got started. “We need uniformity in our rules just for this sort of thing, because this is a dumb-ass rule they have in California,” DiBella said. “We didn’t want California rules for this fight,” Shields said. “We complained to the officials when they told us before the fight. I called Kermit’s manager into the dressing room to protest that decision because we wanted the ABC (Association of Boxing Commissions) rules. “I can see using California rules for a four- or six-round bout, but this was a 12-round fight.” It wasn’t much of a fight before the start of the fourth. For the first three rounds Williams and Cintron, two giant welterweights fighting at junior middleweight because most 147 pounders avoid them, were like the two biggest kids in school getting into a playground stand off, both afraid to throw a punch. Williams was the first to react to the boos from the sparse crowd in the tennis arena. The towering southpaw pressed the attack at the start of the fourth round and ran into a big right hand from Cintron (32-3-1, 28 KOs). Williams was rocked but immediately fired back with a hard left of his own. Suddenly the fight was on and the crowd erupted as the two fighters briefly exchanged heavy punches. However, the cheers turned into a collective “Ooooh!” when the two tumbled to the canvas and Cintron was thrown from the ring. “He hit me with a nice little shot and I hit him with a nice shot,” Williams recalled after the fight. “We were both throwing punches and we got tangled up. He fell out of the ring. I saw him trying to get up. “I know he wanted to fight. I know I wanted to fight. I don’t know what to say.” DiBella and company want Williams to say that he will grant Cintron a rematch. “I know that Paul’s a man’s man and if it’s up to him he will fight Kermit again,” DiBella said. Williams, unhappy with the way the fight ended, probably is in favor of a return bout. “It was a strange way to get a win,” he said. “I’ll get a better win next time. “I don’t want to see a fighter get hurt like that. I wanted to hurt him with a punch, not by him falling out of the ring. I hope he‘s alright.” Cintron was taken to Harbor-UCLA Hospital in nearby Torrance, Calif., for a precautionary examination. He’s probably fine. He seemed a alert as he pleaded his case with Dr. Wallace, who under California rules had the authority to halt the bout. However, the bad taste of California’s rules will probably linger a lot longer than the pain from the bump on his head. The fans in attendance also had a bad night. “I feel bad for the fans,” Williams said. “They didn’t get their monies worth.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted May 9, 2010 Author Share Posted May 9, 2010 Im going to be a bit controversial and say i was glad williams got the decision.. It was one of the most ridiculas things ive seen. Clintron 'dived' thorough the ropes. Not his fault the Docs stopped it i suppose though it was all a bit suspicious to me... He did fly out of the ring perfectly - didn't even touch the ropes. mlol/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheils Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 It was all a bit WWF if you ask me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonRingRules Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 Bad, unsatisfactory ending to the fight. Sergio Martinez apparently ruled himself out of a fight with Williams instead favouring Mayweather or a rematch with Margarito. Also, the HBO team said Kelly Pavlik can no longger comfortably make Middleweight so that ruled out a return with Martinez. Williams vs Cintron need to have a rematch IMO. -------- Why is HBO speaking for team Pavlik? Agree about the rematch, but if bigger money can be found, may have to put it off. Fight looked to be getting warm when it happened. Anyone remember big, strong, prime executioner Popkins being pushed out of the ring by Mills Lane, and then claiming he broke his ankle. Against Grant I believe it was. Here's the Cintron clip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_budweiser Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 thanks for the clip londonringrules that looks as if hes thrown himself out of the ring, he could of fell to the canvas but decided to jump through the ropes , looks too suspicious for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faulks Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 Lads you can see him launch himself at 15 seconds... Very very odd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheelchair Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 Just watched the fight. I had it 39-38 Williams with the fourth scored even. You can't score a round to someone after only 30 seconds that rule is daft. With regard to the fall, from a different angle the fall looks genuine, but Cintron was a real sissy lying there like he'd been shot. He should have bounced straight back up, he wasn't badly hurt. They should have a rematch, Williams will win it for me, he'd forced Cintron into a slightly subservient defensive posture and would catch him big at some stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skav Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 I can't believe I stayed up for that farce! I do think Cintron sort of threw himself out of the ring but then the ropes were also very loose as well. To be honest, I'm not really interested in a rematch after this, I'd rather Williams get on with the fights that actually matter. I know he wants them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimmy Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 I don´t think Cintron was fighting that badly, he made Williams miss an awful lot. But I guess these things happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battlingsiki Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 Steve Smoger getting hit with a chair at ringside on the nogin when Maskaev KO'd Rahman out of the ring it ain't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapevine241 Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 i had cintron winning up to that point... williams obviously needs to stop sniffing his own farts and get a new trainer pronto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plow Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 Im going to be a bit controversial and say i was glad williams got the decision.. It was one of the most ridiculas things ive seen. Clintron 'dived' thorough the ropes. Not his fault the Docs stopped it i suppose though it was all a bit suspicious to me... I agree, Kermit leap frogged out of the ring. No doubt he prolly hurt himself on the fall but did he really have to jump through the ropes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 Cintron in controversy again...what is it about him and controversy? (Martinez fight...) It's things like this that make me question staying up for fights =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemurphy Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 Cintron in controversy again...what is it about him and controversy? (Martinez fight...) It's things like this that make me question staying up for fights =/ Scott- LOL. Anytime we have a less than satisfactory ending to a major fight, I can at least gain some solace from the fact that at least I didn't have to have stay up till 3 AM like my UK pals had to :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corchito Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 Im going to be a bit controversial and say i was glad williams got the decision.. It was one of the most ridiculas things ive seen. Clintron 'dived' thorough the ropes. Not his fault the Docs stopped it i suppose though it was all a bit suspicious to me... +1 deal// Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheelchair Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 Cintron in controversy again...what is it about him and controversy? (Martinez fight...) It's things like this that make me question staying up for fights =/ Sometimes it's better to wait for a download later in the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 Cintron in controversy again...what is it about him and controversy? (Martinez fight...) It's things like this that make me question staying up for fights =/ Sometimes it's better to wait for a download later in the day. with my laptop thats gonna take days =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheelchair Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 What speeds your connection then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheelchair Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 Talk about over the top, the guy only fell over FFS. http://images.ringtv.com/images/7/00/00/60/84/6084_586.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted May 9, 2010 Share Posted May 9, 2010 not sure but the internets shared around 3 laptops and were in backwater town, i manage streams when everyone else is asleep but my actual laptops crap...the space and J keys have fallen off >_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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