Haye vs Fury - all it's cracked up to be?

[The_budweiser]

David Haye and Tyson Fury look set to announce a major British showdown between the pair pretty soon if what they are saying is anything to go by, but will the contest be as exciting as your casual fan will think?

 

Haye pulled out of his proposed fight with Manuel Charr last month citing a hand injury and several weeks later words began to air from both the Fury and Haye camp regarding a potential fight. Fury beat Steve Cunningham by knockout in April in New York after being floored in the second round. The fight was exciting for all seven rounds until Fury landed a controversial punch in the seventh when he appeared to position the American's head into a right hand which effectively ended the battle.

 

http://ringnews24.com/index.php/world-boxing-news/item/5058-haye-vs-fury-all-it-s-cracked-up-to-be

[WelshDevilRob]

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I read somewhere that they will make £5 million each from the fight. If thats true then its a big money fight. Both hold high rankings and it'll attract alot of attention both from the casual UK fan and the Worldwide boxing fan.

[brooklynbrawler]

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If it's worth £5m each, it means the fight is going on Sky Box Office.

Ticket sales would amount to about £2.5m, so it's the only way to make up the shortfall.

As much as I don't massively rate Fury, I hope he wins.

I'm done with Haye now.

The guy has undoubted talent to challenge the best fighters in the division, and I include the Klits in that list, but he opts to masquerade as a fighter when he steps into a ring with them and runs instead of using his attributes to good effect offensively.

Not only that, he has intentions of retiring every other fight nowadays, so if he does win, it just means we won't see much in the way of blockbuster heavyweight bouts on British shores for some time.

And then the fact the greedy bass trousered £250k with the sham Charr bout, which I'm still bitter about... :mlol:

[poztin]

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The guy has undoubted talent to challenge the best fighters in the division, and I include the Klits in that list, but he opts to masquerade as a fighter when he steps into a ring with them and runs instead of using his attributes to good effect offensively.

 

One fight. I think that's an unfair portrayal of his career (24 kos in 26 wins suggests he knows exactly how to use his offensive attributes to good effect).

[LondonRingRules]

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One fight. I think that's an unfair portrayal of his career (24 kos in 26 wins suggests he knows exactly how to use his offensive attributes to good effect).

 

--- Not yet legitimately beat twenty heavy contender is how he uses his offensive attributes.

 

Light in the loafers record backed by running big pants around the ring and the fight ain't even scheduled on boxrec yet. Even Povetkin surpassed his WBA heavy "reign" and he beat a legit top ten Chambers even if it's been a while.

 

P4P in making schoolboy videos, t-shirts, and cardboard cutouts, so he has some talent...

[poztin]

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--- Not yet legitimately beat twenty heavy contender is how he uses his offensive attributes.

 

Light in the loafers record backed by running big pants around the ring and the fight ain't even scheduled on boxrec yet. Even Povetkin surpassed his WBA heavy "reign" and he beat a legit top ten Chambers even if it's been a while.

 

P4P in making schoolboy videos, t-shirts, and cardboard cutouts, so he has some talent...

 

4 kos in 5 wins (80% ratio) in the heavies, including wiping out Dereck Chisora. A feat not even Vitali and your new favourite bum of the week Fury could achieve.

 

Not too shabby for a blown up Cruiser...

[WelshDevilRob]

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--- Not yet legitimately beat twenty heavy contender is how he uses his offensive attributes.

 

Light in the loafers record backed by running big pants around the ring and the fight ain't even scheduled on boxrec yet. Even Povetkin surpassed his WBA heavy "reign" and he beat a legit top ten Chambers even if it's been a while.

 

P4P in making schoolboy videos, t-shirts, and cardboard cutouts, so he has some talent...

 

Haye normally sniffs out an easy opportunity and he seems to have sniffed it in your boy Fury.

 

David now in his prime years. Fury is easy meat and lots of money. Fury did all the talking and David is going to take the cheque and accolades. Of course, once he destroys the young buck then the experts will rip holes in Luke, but thats boxing.

[LondonRingRules]

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4 kos in 5 wins (80% ratio) in the heavies, including wiping out Dereck Chisora. A feat not even Vitali and your new favourite bum of the week Fury could achieve.

 

Not too shabby for a blown up Cruiser...

 

---- Needed Fury, Helenius, and Vitali to soften up his acorn and record first, that and your Boys of Luxembourg and their round cut short 10 sec the instant Chisora had him in some trouble.

 

Deontay Wilder, now there's your boy if you like pinky powder puff power records, 28-0, 28 KO with top rated TBA scheduled for #29 inside a month from now!

[poztin]

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---- Needed Fury, Helenius, and Vitali to soften up his acorn and record first, that and your Boys of Luxembourg and their round cut short 10 sec the instant Chisora had him in some trouble.

 

Deontay Wilder, now there's your boy if you like pinky powder puff power records, 28-0, 28 KO with top rated TBA scheduled for #29 inside a month from now!

 

Remind me again of Holyfields 6 fight "transition" up to heavyweight?

 

Haye got slated for fighting Barrett in his first fight at the weight. By his second fight he was fighting for a title against a (admittedly shit) giant weighing in 100lb more, and got slated again. Some transition he was allowed!

 

I blame the rise of the petulant message board fan...

[poztin]

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And as padded out as Wilders record is, I'd still back him to blow your bum Tyson Fury away.

[gavpowell]

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4 kos in 5 wins (80% ratio) in the heavies, including wiping out Dereck Chisora. A feat not even Vitali and your new favourite bum of the week Fury could achieve.

 

Not too shabby for a blown up Cruiser...

Actually it's 8 from 9 - he fought Booth, Delaney, Bonin and Semiskur above the cruiser limit.

 

EDIT: Actually, it looks like there are a few more, but I dunno when the BBBofC raised the limit for cruiser, so I'm gonna wait for Scott to give the real answer.

Edited June 15, 2013 by gavpowell

[mofo2]

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And as padded out as Wilders record is, I'd still back him to blow your bum Tyson Fury away.

That could swing either way, they are both erratic and leave gaping holes to be countered and KTFO

[Meathead]

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Props to Fury if he takes this fight because even for a lot of money, it takes some balls to go in the ring knowing your gonna get knocked out. I've read a lot recently that this would be a "50-50 fight" and would "split opinion" but that's utter rubbish.

 

You've got a monumentally fragile fighter in both chin and mind, facing one of the biggest hitters in the division and one of the most mentally stable to boot.

 

This ends badly for Fury. Very very badly.

[LondonRingRules]

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Haye got slated for fighting Barrett in his first fight at the weight. By his second fight he was fighting for a title against a (admittedly shit) giant weighing in 100lb more, and got slated again. Some transition he was allowed!

 

--- He got slated for saying he was gonna clean out the division after ducking the big offer from the WBA to fast track him straight into undefeated Chagaev.

 

Nobody read the fine print that he was gonna start at the bottom and work up starting with Barrett who hit the canvas before he ever managed a full step into the ring. He was slated by his own broadcaster for playing chickenman against Valuev though he did a number on the cardboard cutout of Niko. Now he's running from Charr saying he's gonna fight Fury, but more likely to fight another cardboard cutout to boost his diminished ego.

[Skav]

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Props to Fury if he takes this fight because even for a lot of money, it takes some balls to go in the ring knowing your gonna get knocked out. I've read a lot recently that this would be a "50-50 fight" and would "split opinion" but that's utter rubbish.

 

You've got a monumentally fragile fighter in both chin and mind, facing one of the biggest hitters in the division and one of the most mentally stable to boot.

 

This ends badly for Fury. Very very badly.

 

I wouldn't say that Fury is psychologically fragile. Even when he was put down by Cunningham he got up and wasn't afraid to go marching forward. A lot of fighters would have been on their bike and fighting cautiously.

 

He will give it a good go against Haye but will ultimately come up short. In fact, he may not even be allowed to give it a go.

[poztin]

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--- He got slated for saying he was gonna clean out the division

 

What did you expect him to say? "I'm moving up just to make up the numbers"?

[TodoCorazon17]

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I think it's a huge fight in the UK that will get fans in the US to take notice as well. I really like it as an event if its made. Have knocks Fury silly though, I think. Plays it safe & boring for a number of rounds - but eventually he will catch Tyson and knock him out.

[WelshDevilRob]

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I've no problems with Haye's choice of opponents. Bonin was a decent fight as was Barrett. Valuev was a challenge and away from home. Ruiz was poor but a mandatory. Audley fight was awful but can see why it got made. Chisora fight made alot of sense. He eventually did fight Wlad and came up short.

 

The biggest knock is the inactivity but he has never been an overly active fighter.

[davemurphy]

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I've no problems with Haye's choice of opponents. Bonin was a decent fight as was Barrett. Valuev was a challenge and away from home. Ruiz was poor but a mandatory. Audley fight was awful but can see why it got made. Chisora fight made alot of sense. He eventually did fight Wlad and came up short.

 

The biggest knock is the inactivity but he has never been an overly active fighter.

 

Rob-

Although it's been excessive as a HW, you raise a good point that he was never all that active, even as a Cruiser.

[gavpowell]

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Valuev was a challenge and away from home.

 

 

In what universe was that fight a challenge? For all the bollocks about "well he's over 7 feet tall, very long arms etc", this was a guy who could be considered lucky to scrape through against Evander Holyfield, 4 years after Holyfield got battered into submission by Jimbob Toney.

 

Find me someone who really though Valuev was going to win that fight and I'll find that idiot a village.

[mofo2]

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In what universe was that fight a challenge? For all the bollocks about "well he's over 7 feet tall, very long arms etc", this was a guy who could be considered lucky to scrape through against Evander Holyfield, 4 years after Holyfield got battered into submission by Jimbob Toney.

 

Find me someone who really though Valuev was going to win that fight and I'll find that idiot a village.

 

Haye was the Contender Ofcourse it was a fucking challenge, your hate on Haye is as retarded as Boz's on Froch!

[gavpowell]

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Haye was the Contender Ofcourse it was a fucking challenge, your hate on Haye is as retarded as Boz's on Froch!

 

Of course it wasn't a challenge in anything but the semantic sense that he was challenging for a title - it wasn't a challenge in terms of difficulty. Valuev couldn't box for toffee, didn't have any significant power, had no speed. How the fuck was Haye ever losing that fight?

 

 

Now, try again using reasoned argument and providing some sort of evidence to back up your point, rather than just "You're stupid, that's wrong"

Edited June 16, 2013 by gavpowell

[mofo2]

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Of course it wasn't a challenge in anything but the semantic sense that he was challenging for a title - it wasn't a challenge in terms of difficulty. Valuev couldn't box for toffee, didn't have any significant power, had no speed. How the fuck was Haye ever losing that fight?

 

 

Now, try again using reasoned argument and providing some sort of evidence to back up your point, rather than just "You're stupid, that's wrong"

I'm wondering what other argument is there gav, because this is such an obvious hate on Haye by yourself what would be the point??? Forget Valuevs boxing skills he had only been beaten by the then very credible Chagaev and was World Champion and Haye was a fight or two into his HW career, this was big test for a CW moving into a fight against a monster, you seriously need to look at some of the shit you spew at times it makes you look Daft!

[gavpowell]

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I'm wondering what other argument is there gav, because this is such an obvious hate on Haye by yourself what would be the point??? Forget Valuevs boxing skills he had only been beaten by the then very credible Chagaev and was World Champion and Haye was a fight or two into his HW career, this was big test for a CW moving into a fight against a monster, you seriously need to look at some of the shit you spew at times it makes you look Daft!

 

Valuev was very large, very slow, light-hitting, no skills of note, had been guided incredibly carefully, dining only on ancient guys whose skills had long gone or guys slightly younger who were never much good in the first place(Owen Beck, John Ruiz) and HAD ARGUABLY BEEN BEATEN BY HOLYFIELD.

 

Talk about wide fucking open, which is exactly why Haye dropped out of the Klitschko fight and went to grab a title. I have no problem with the fight itself, just don't try to pretend it was ever going to be dangerous for Haye, unless Valuev fell on him.

 

Or if Muhammad Ali came out of retirement tomorrow and was given a belt he didn't earn, would that also be a "challenge" for Haye?

Edited June 16, 2013 by gavpowell

[mofo2]

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Valuev was very large, very slow, light-hitting, no skills of note, had been guided incredibly carefully, dining only on ancient guys whose skills had long gone or guys slightly younger who were never much good in the first place(Owen Beck, John Ruiz) and HAD ARGUABLY BEEN BEATEN BY HOLYFIELD.

 

Talk about wide fucking open, which is exactly why Haye dropped out of the Klitschko fight and went to grab a title. I have no problem with the fight itself, just don't try to pretend it was ever going to be dangerous for Haye, unless Valuev fell on him.

 

Or if Muhammad Ali came out of retirement tomorrow and was given a belt he didn't earn, would that also be a "challenge" for Haye?

That's all just babble, you are deluded or merely blind with hate if you cannot Recognise the difficulties Haye faced coming into this fight...this was clearly a test for Haye!