davemurphy Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 Among elite fighters who've held world titles recently, I'm thinking Amir Khan would have to be my choice. He's always one decent shot away from being finished and has to be matched up with that in mind. If the air conditioning pops on in the arena, then there's cause for concern in the Khan corner http://boxingbb.com/public/style_emoticons/default/wink.png Among world champions in my memory, Terry Norris might be the one who overcame the weakest chin to go on and have the greatest success, how many chinny fighters make it into Canastota? However, there were two Main Events promoted Champs that I thought even worse, one being Johnny Bumphus, who held the WBA 140-pound title for about six months in 1984, who had NO CHIN whatsoever, and the other was Ed Hopson, who captured a IBF belt and then got annihilated by Tracy Patterson, lost another fight soon after, and was out of boxing in no time. I'm sure you guys can think of a LOT of examples, thought this might be a fun topic to toss around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonRingRules Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Re: Worst Champ Chin in boxing today? Worst champ chin in your memory? I'm sure you guys can think of a LOT of examples, thought this might be a fun topic to toss around. --- Macca's up there with the "best" of the worst chins. Neon Leon as well, and Ali never once put a dent into him, amazing. I suspect Mr. Pink and Ward and Popkins are up there, but they've got ways to disguise their weakness. Dawson may be getting there, we'll just have to see his next few fights. I shudder to think about the shots Manny's gonna take against Rios, but at least that's a good scrap for as long as it lasts. You can bet your $5.9 million in spare change Floydy will be taking flight against Canelo. He caught almost no flack from the press for his chickenman performance against Guerrero who's not even a big swatter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Re: Worst Champ Chin in boxing today? Worst champ chin in your memory? Do we consider Gamboa? His chin is certainly shaky even if he does seem to have solid recuperative powers. In terms of current champions, you'll be very surprised by just how few have been stopped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robprosser Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Re: Worst Champ Chin in boxing today? Worst champ chin in your memory? In term of active fighters, it has to be Wladmir. All the more power to him that he's perfected a style that means he virtually never gets hit on chin, although the low quality of the opposition helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poztin Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Re: Worst Champ Chin in boxing today? Worst champ chin in your memory? In term of active fighters, it has to be Wladmir. All the more power to him that he's perfected a style that means he virtually never gets hit on chin. I guess that makes him a "chickenman" too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemurphy Posted June 12, 2013 Author Share Posted June 12, 2013 Re: Worst Champ Chin in boxing today? Worst champ chin in your memory? --- Macca's up there with the "best" of the worst chins. Neon Leon as well, and Ali never once put a dent into him, amazing. I suspect Mr. Pink and Ward and Popkins are up there, but they've got ways to disguise their weakness. Dawson may be getting there, we'll just have to see his next few fights. I shudder to think about the shots Manny's gonna take against Rios, but at least that's a good scrap for as long as it lasts. You can bet your $5.9 million in spare change Floydy will be taking flight against Canelo. He caught almost no flack from the press for his chickenman performance against Guerrero who's not even a big swatter. Agreed that Enzo deserves a mention, and yep, Leon's whiskers were suspect. I remember Gerrie Coetzee dusting him in the first round of the WBA tournament to replace Ali after Ali beat Leon and retired, and then he went on to get stopped by Holmes, Ribalta, and then several Light Heavys and Cruisers. Can't say I'd put Hopkins on there though, granted he didn't fight many MW's who could whack, but if he really belonged on this list then he'd have been getting stunned by the Titos and Oscars moving up and maybe even a guy like Pavlik, who for his suspect skills, was still a decent puncher. The only time I recall actually seeing him hurt was the first fight with Mercado and then in one of those nondescript title defenses he had in the late-ninties (against Antwon Echols, I believe, who was a decent puncher). No, I'll agree that Hopkins was hardly a granite chin, but I'll give him enough credit that he doesn't belong on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonRingRules Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Re: Worst Champ Chin in boxing today? Worst champ chin in your memory? In term of active fighters, it has to be Wladmir. All the more power to him that he's perfected a style that means he virtually never gets hit on chin, although the low quality of the opposition helps. --- Nothin' wrong with his opposition other than when the previous legends were in their heyday, they were ducking the rise of the Ks which delayed their dominance. Any 22 year old champ or future champ in history would have been KOed by Puritty had he been on Wlad's schedule, 12th fights in an 11 month span not to mention a 12 rounder against a very big, powerful heavy who pulled a Mike Weaver on him after extending him out 11 rounds by taking a beating. It was a TKO, towel stoppage by his corner, overall poor management that put him in that position. Any champ in history save McCall would have been knocked out by one of the fastest starting heavies, a southpaw that almost no champs in history ever faced. Sanders got in a headbutt followed by his straight left and swarmed him for the TKO stoppage. Still, Wlad got up 5x, not a weak chin. Brewster fight featured a journeyman who'd been beat by every fringe contender he faced, yet betting was suspended the final days before the fight because of a massive unexplained surge on Brewster bets out of UK. We know what Manny, Wlad, and Vitali had to say about that fight where Brewster scarcely landed a single punch on Wlad, also featuring a glancing rabbit punch as Wlad bounced off the ropes to be tripped by the ref, not one of boxing's stellar above board bouts for sure. 60+ fights and never taken the ten count in spite of dozens of rabbit shots including a double rabbit shot and being clocked after being pushed to his knees by Peter who was the undefeated most ducked heavy in boxing at that point in time. Wlad suffers in comparison to Vitali who's proven one of the best chins, yet he got rocked big time early in the Sanders fight by just one punch. There's a reason why old timers didn't want to fight lefties, and Wlad has about 8 title bouts against some of the best lefties in history, think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Re: Worst Champ Chin in boxing today? Worst champ chin in your memory? I dunno - Wlad has only ever been troubled by serious punchers(except Peter, where a lot of them were rabbit punches) and even vs Brewster it was his stamina rather than his chin that let him down. Contrast that with Khan, who got flattened by Limond, was rocked by a Prescott jab etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooklynbrawler Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Re: Worst Champ Chin in boxing today? Worst champ chin in your memory? Agree with Gav on Wlad. His chin may be "his" weakness....but in terms of looking at the bigger picture and making a comparison to other fighters, it isn't all that weak...it's just that he's so solid in other areas that any observed weakness tends to be multiplied and over-egged by some observers. It must be nearly 10 years since he's been knocked out now? The Peter knockdowns were nothing of note, and never really even seemed to hurt him....maybe a balance or stamina issue in that particular fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skav Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Re: Worst Champ Chin in boxing today? Worst champ chin in your memory? Past: Floyd Patterson and Felix Trinidad. Present: Wlad Klitschko and Khan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonRingRules Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Re: Worst Champ Chin in boxing today? Worst champ chin in your memory? The Peter knockdowns were nothing of note, and never really even seemed to hurt him....maybe a balance or stamina issue in that particular fight. --- Peter did get to Wlad with his last knockdown, a legit leg wobbler to the chin. That fight is a very underrated epic of a good mix of boxing and slugging. The rep Wlad had was also assigned to Tyson of being unable to comeback from being knocked down and pounded as though such defensive liabilities are to be lauded when they can be overcome. Tyson was too good to suffer such liabilities when he was training with his HOF team. Wlad also came through OK vs Wach who was roided up by his handlers who also tried removing the padding from the gloves trick as well. I tend to think the chin issues of Wlad are 90% mental given the short phase of repeated KDs he went through. He never had to focus on defense before until he started fighting the contenders, and really only a few of them ever got to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemurphy Posted June 13, 2013 Author Share Posted June 13, 2013 Re: Worst Champ Chin in boxing today? Worst champ chin in your memory? I dunno - Wlad has only ever been troubled by serious punchers(except Peter, where a lot of them were rabbit punches) and even vs Brewster it was his stamina rather than his chin that let him down. Contrast that with Khan, who got flattened by Limond, was rocked by a Prescott jab etc. Good post. Just like with Lennox, who suffered adversity with guys who could seriously punch in McCall, Rahman, and Shannon Briggs, Wlad has only been hurt by guys with a serious wallop in Brewster, Sanders, and Peter. If he'd been wobbled by a Tony Thompson, or worse yet a Mormeck or Eddie Chambers, then his "China Factor" would have to be upgraded. The guys who've wobbled Khan aren't even of that level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemurphy Posted June 13, 2013 Author Share Posted June 13, 2013 Re: Worst Champ Chin in boxing today? Worst champ chin in your memory? Past: Floyd Patterson and Felix Trinidad. Present: Wlad Klitschko and Khan. Thing about Floyd and Tito both is that while they had multiple knockdowns throughout their careers, they were very seldom actually knocked out per say. Floyd had the two with Liston obviously, as well as the one stoppage with Ingo, but neither Ali stoppage had anything to do with being hurt by a punch. People point to his being down against Rademacher and such, but he won those and they were kind of flash knockdowns. Of course, Tito had multiple flash knockdowns, and in most cases it served as a wake-up call and he quickly dispatched his foe. Obviously neither had anything that could be considered a granite chin, but it's kind of hard to classify what makes a china chin. To me, it's one that shatters completely and not just one that cracks. Just another subjective boxing term that's in the eye of the beholder, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1SILVA Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 Re: Worst Champ Chin in boxing today? Worst champ chin in your memory? Worst chins amir khan terry norris roy jones judah jermain Taylor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ton Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 Re: Worst Champ Chin in boxing today? Worst champ chin in your memory? No mention of Bruno yet?? Or was he simply blitzed by big hitters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robprosser Posted May 5, 2016 Share Posted May 5, 2016 Re: Worst Champ Chin in boxing today? Worst champ chin in your memory? No mention of Bruno yet?? Or was he simply blitzed by big hitters? Bruno had a decent chin but he was knackered after three rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeboxing Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 Re: Worst Champ Chin in boxing today? Worst champ chin in your memory? charles martin should be up there as worst champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxeador Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 Re: Worst Champ Chin in boxing today? Worst champ chin in your memory? Worst chins amir khan terry norris roy jones judah jermain Taylor You forget the worst chin i´ve ever seen on a ring, maybe: Tommy Morrison. R.I.P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bickle85 Posted May 7, 2016 Share Posted May 7, 2016 Re: Worst Champ Chin in boxing today? Worst champ chin in your memory? First who comes to mind is Enzo Maccarinelli. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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