WelshDevilRob Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 Hardest Punchers in Boxing History - percentages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mofo2 Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 Re: 50 Hardest Hitters in History It lost me as credible when I saw Bruno at 3 and Tyson at 10 :mlol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonRingRules Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 Re: 50 Hardest Hitters in History It lost me as credible when I saw Bruno at 3 and Tyson at 10 :mlol: --- It's just raw stats and looks a little old since Valero finished 27-0, 27 KO. Also, it looks to be KO % of wins, not total fights, a big difference in evaluating fighters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mofo2 Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 Re: 50 Hardest Hitters in History --- It's just raw stats and looks a little old since Valero finished 27-0, 27 KO. Also, it looks to be KO % of wins, not total fights, a big difference in evaluating fighters.If a list is going to be put together it needs to at least have factored in a little common sense and reality about it otherwise why else bother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemurphy Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 Re: 50 Hardest Hitters in History Alphonso Zamora is in the second row and Carlos Zarate's in the fourth row, hardly seems fair after Zarate completely ruined him :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemurphy Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 Re: 50 Hardest Hitters in History Bud pointed out to me that it's basing it's Ko percentage on the number of wins as opposed to the number of fights a fighter had. For example, Frank Bruno is up at 95% for his 38 KO's in 40 wins, but his overall total of 45 fights brings it down to just 84% of his total fights ending in KO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoztheMadman Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 Re: 50 Hardest Hitters in History Vitali and Pryor are too high, but thats based just on their ko ratio/percantage. They were known as accumulation punchers, always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted June 8, 2013 Author Share Posted June 8, 2013 Re: 50 Hardest Hitters in History I think you guys are being harsh on Frank Bruno - if he hit you then you were gone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mofo2 Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 Re: 50 Hardest Hitters in History I think you guys are being harsh on Frank Bruno - if he hit you then you were gone! Imafan of Frank myself rob, but lets get real, its nonsense that he appears higher than Tyson....no one could sell that one mate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemurphy Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 Re: 50 Hardest Hitters in History I think you guys are being harsh on Frank Bruno - if he hit you then you were gone! Rob- No statement on Frank himself, the 84% Ko pct is still something to be proud of, just pointing out that their way of computing it is a bit deceptive and should be based on all fights and not just the wins. A whole lot of HW's he demolished would say Frank's right where he should be ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mofo2 Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 Re: 50 Hardest Hitters in History dave even as a Bruno fan im not buying 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoztheMadman Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Re: 50 Hardest Hitters in History dave even as a Bruno fan im not buying 3 Its the PERCENTAGE mate, Bruno scored 38 kos in 40 wins...gotta admit thats pretty amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 Re: 50 Hardest Hitters in History I think you guys are being harsh on Frank Bruno - if he hit you then you were gone! I seem to remember he gave Tyson a fair wallop, and we all remember that glorious night when Bruno beat Tyson... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mofo2 Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Re: 50 Hardest Hitters in History Come on now....Frank was quality, but ahead of Tyson just doesn't fly at all with me, Tyson KTFO out of every top HW that was put in his way, thats until he lost his own....Franks record however good has got quantity but not quality! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoztheMadman Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Re: 50 Hardest Hitters in History Come on now....Frank was quality, but ahead of Tyson just doesn't fly at all with me, Tyson KTFO out of every top HW that was put in his way, thats until he lost his own....Franks record however good has got quantity but not quality! I think his best ko victory was against a past prime Gerrie Coetzee...impressive 1 round blowout. Apart from that, he's knocked out Carl The Truth Williams (:rip:), Pierre Coetzer, Jose Ribalta, Joe Bugner (kinda old but still not shot), James Tillis, Lucien Rodriguez and Anders Eklund (also :rip:). So, if you look at it, its not like he didn't beat anyone good or decent by ko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 (edited) Re: 50 Hardest Hitters in History Maybe I'm being blind but, Jamie Garza appears to be missing, taking out his losses he has 44kos in 48 which is around 91.6% Tsuyoshi Hamada had 19 from 21 making him over 90% and his compatriot Akinobu Hiranaka was 90% dead with 18/20 Jong-Kwon Baek was over 86% (19/22). I have found other South Koreans with a higher % but the best they claimed were OPBF titles whilst Baek was a WBA champion. Edited June 10, 2013 by iamasadlittleboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemurphy Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 (edited) Re: 50 Hardest Hitters in History Come on now....Frank was quality, but ahead of Tyson just doesn't fly at all with me, Tyson KTFO out of every top HW that was put in his way, thats until he lost his own....Franks record however good has got quantity but not quality! Agree there, the old saying is that "there's lies, damn lies, and then statistics". I believe it was your guy Disraeli that said it and then our guy Mark Twain that made it popular over here :laugh: I wouldn't scoff at Frank's KO percentage, but it didn't hold up at the elite level like some of the others on the list. He's not alone in that regard, several on the list are quantity over quality. Shane Mosley is on the list, does anybody seriously consider him one of the top seventeen punchers of all-time? If so, then they need to have their RN24 membership revoked :laugh: Edited June 10, 2013 by davemurphy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemurphy Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Re: 50 Hardest Hitters in History Maybe I'm being blind but, Jamie Garza appears to be missing, taking out his losses he has 44kos in 48 which is around 91.6% Tsuyoshi Hamada had 19 from 21 making him over 90% and his compatriot Akinobu Hiranaka was 90% dead with 18/20 Jong-Kwon Baek was over 86% (19/22). I have found other South Koreans with a higher % but the best they claimed were OPBF titles whilst Baek was a WBA champion. Garza is an obvious omission, but I'm sure whoever compiled this list is probably unaware that professional boxing exists in the orient..........and along those lines, is probably a IBHOF voter :tsk: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoztheMadman Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Re: 50 Hardest Hitters in History Agree there, the old saying is that "there's lies, damn lies, and then statistics". I believe it was your guy Disraeli that said it and then our guy Mark Twain that made it popular over here :laugh: I wouldn't scoff at Frank's KO percentage, but it didn't hold up at the elite level like some of the others on the list. He's not alone in that regard, several on the list are quantity over quality. Shane Mosley is on the list, does anybody seriously consider him one of the top seventeen punchers of all-time? If so, then they need to have their RN24 membership revoked :laugh: :laugh: I don't. He might've been a big ko puncher as a lightweight, where he didn't really belong and was huge compared to the other guys he was fighting (and some of his best wins there were over the hill) but as a ww and esp lmw he was more of a accumulation puncher. I thought Oscar hit harder than him honestly. Oscar stopped a prime Mayorga in SIX rounds while it took Mosley TWELVE to do the same to a faded Mayorga. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mofo2 Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Re: 50 Hardest Hitters in History Agree there, the old saying is that "there's lies, damn lies, and then statistics". I believe it was your guy Disraeli that said it and then our guy Mark Twain that made it popular over here :laugh: I wouldn't scoff at Frank's KO percentage, but it didn't hold up at the elite level like some of the others on the list. He's not alone in that regard, several on the list are quantity over quality. Shane Mosley is on the list, does anybody seriously consider him one of the top seventeen punchers of all-time? If so, then they need to have their RN24 membership revoked :laugh: If a list is worth doing its worth doing well Dave and this list ain't done well or maybe it is poorly packaged and titled, but either way I agree with licence revoking followed by a stern kick up the ass if anyone agrees with Shane at 17....why the fuck did I miss that :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mofo2 Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Re: 50 Hardest Hitters in History I think his best ko victory was against a past prime Gerrie Coetzee...impressive 1 round blowout. Apart from that, he's knocked out Carl The Truth Williams (:rip:), Pierre Coetzer, Jose Ribalta, Joe Bugner (kinda old but still not shot), James Tillis, Lucien Rodriguez and Anders Eklund (also :rip:). So, if you look at it, its not like he didn't beat anyone good or decent by ko. He ain't a bigger hitter than Tyson! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoztheMadman Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Re: 50 Hardest Hitters in History He ain't a bigger hitter than Tyson! Of course not, but he got a better percentage moffy, percentage! How hard is that to comprehend? This list is based on that, obviously. The amount of ko's, not the amount of ko's against impressive opponents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemurphy Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Re: 50 Hardest Hitters in History :laugh: I don't. He might've been a big ko puncher as a lightweight, where he didn't really belong and was huge compared to the other guys he was fighting (and some of his best wins there were over the hill) but as a ww and esp lmw he was more of a accumulation puncher. I thought Oscar hit harder than him honestly. Oscar stopped a prime Mayorga in SIX rounds while it took Mosley TWELVE to do the same to a faded Mayorga. No question that Oscar was the bigger puncher of the two. Many DLH critics like to tell you that his early KO success was due to his fighting in a artificially small weight class, being naturally bigger than his foes, but that doesn't explain things like the Ruelas massacre. There was never a point where SSM was a bigger puncher than DLH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemurphy Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Re: 50 Hardest Hitters in History If a list is worth doing its worth doing well Dave and this list ain't done well or maybe it is poorly packaged and titled, but either way I agree with licence revoking followed by a stern kick up the ass if anyone agrees with Shane at 17....why the fuck did I miss that :laugh: I simply think it was a matter of where there were so many things wrong with the list that you couldn't catch it all :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mofo2 Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Re: 50 Hardest Hitters in History I simply think it was a matter of where there were so many things wrong with the list that you couldn't catch it all :laugh: nail on the head :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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