The_budweiser Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 After nearly four years together, in which we enjoyed some great success, I part ways with my trainer Freddie Roach. I would like to thank him for all his hardwork and help during this period and express my gratitude to him for the progress he helped bring about whilst I was under him. I would also like to thank his team. I loved every minute training in LA at the Wildcard Gym, learning and sparring alongside some truly great fighters and meeting some fantastic people. Read More: http://ringnews24.com/index.php/boxing-news/65671-amir-khan-official-statement-on-freddie-roach-split.html#ixzz26YlbGn49 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_hoops1967 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 I wonder who the next trainer will be to get the blame for him having an absolutely shocking defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 I wonder who the next trainer will be to get the blame for him having an absolutely shocking defence. Exactly. He needs a surgeon for his chin rather than a new trainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ton Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 At what point does he blame Roach for his loses? I ain't a Khan fan at all, but he doesn't specifically put the blame upon anyway. No one knows why he's leaving. Maybe he want to stay at home in the UK, or just fancies a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 At best Khan was Roach's #3 guy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemurphy Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 At best Khan was Roach's #3 guy... Exactly, all that time he spent at Wild Card and he still didn't figure out the pecking order. Amazing!! P.S. Speaking of Freddie, don't be surprised tonight if things start going badly for Chavez Jr. if Freddie doesn't have to deal with that asshole Chavez Sr. sticking his nose into the the corner and whining/complaining/trying to contribute. Usually he's stuck to the sidelines with his son's career, but he seems overly involved this time around, maybe because the spotlight is brighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonrod Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 I wonder who the next trainer will be to get the blame for him having an absolutely shocking defence. Totally 100% agree. Am bored with Khan and his constant whinging - blaming everyone and anyone else for his short-comings, rather than face his inability to take a punch (not the best quality to possess if you want a career in the fight game). Bitch and moan all you want Amir - no one is listening anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 He hasn't been moaning - he rightly acknowledges he needs someone to focus full-time on him and fix the flaws in his game. That's not unreasonable. This is unreasonable Roach then revealed on Friday he had twice rejected overtures from Khan's camp to ditch WBC middleweight champion Julio Cesar Chavez Jr and multiple world champion Pacquiao to concentrate solely on the British fighter. What the hell were they smoking? I mean yeah, ditching Chavez I could understand, but ditching Pacquiao? I don;t even like Pacquiao and I wouldn't ditch him if he were on my books either, and certainly not for a fighter like Khan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemolitionDan Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 When Khan did listen to Freddie Roach, he was pretty successful. Take the Paulie fight, and Judah fight. He didn't bum rush in yelling "YA YA YA!" He kept his feet underneath him and stayed behind the jab, the jab and the right hand behind it. Against Maidana, we got hit, and tagged, he then just threw out the gameplan, and went for broke. Same thing in the McCloskey fight, he rushed in, very amateur like, but he didn't get caught. Against Garcia he got caught, and payed the price for it. That's his problem. Not sticking with a gameplan, and fighting very amateurish....and his glass neck/jaw doesn't help either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meathead Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Roach should take some blame though. Things like offering sparring partners bonus to drop him is gonna get Khan in the mind set that that he has to fight like that. I often see people say Khan can't stick to a gameplan but he's shown in the past (Kotelnik, Maidana until Maidana landed one big punch), Judah, Barrera etc. that he can. I'm inclined to think that Roach has tried to mould Khan like Pacquiao, where rushing in and getting your shots off is the standard. I not just Roqchs fault at all, but I really don't like it when people say "well if he'd have just listened to his trainer he'd be fine". Its a two way street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooklynbrawler Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Expect him to come back to the UK and try to promote himself as a superstar still, while fighting handpicked nomarks, yet trying to command significant sums for the privilege. He's less of a fighter without Roach tbh. I don't think anyone can take him back to where Roach got him. Look at the fact that when he joined Roach, he was a commonwealth champion and had just been knocked out in a round by what turned out to be a journeyman. He was lucky to get a quick world title bout against Garcia, after the loss to Peterson in what should have been a straightforward bout. He never took the chance and I doubt he'll get back to that position under any trainer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donlevy Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 On the other hand,a change isn't a bad thing.Maybe it won't work out,but it's worth the shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemurphy Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 Roach is on a bit of a losing streak, and I don't think it's unfair to suggest that maybe some of that has to do with stretching himself too thin. I don't like the way he's going about doing it, with Freddie obviously cast in the role of scapegoat, but I think Khan is dead-on that he needs a Trainer who's completely committed to him over any other fighter in their stable. That being said, I'm not sure who he'll get who's 100% devotion will produce better results than Roach's 60%, and what said Trainer can possibly do to combat a porcelain chin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ton Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 Does Khan leaving Roach automatically put the blame for Khan's losses on Roach then, or is everyone just assuming that's Khan's reasoning behind the move. He hasn't said in anyway that he blames the camps, Roach's training style etc as the reason for his losses, and we all know he is not the sharpest knife in the draw, it would be most likely he'd have come out and said "Freddie is the sole reason for my losses and that's why I'm leaving" and he would have said that by accident because he's that thick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 I'm not assuming that at all - I think Roach has simply taken him as far as he can and Khan is absolutely right that he needs someone to teach other aspects(counterpunching, defence..) I said a while ago he needs a Manny Steward figure, but it was pointed out that Steward is also rather preoccupied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 Roach does seem to be less effective these days. Probably is a smart move. Khan despite his skill still has plenty of flaws and they need someone to iron them out. Will Khan listen though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooklynbrawler Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 I don't think Roach is less effective, it's just the fact he trains all his fighters to fight the same way and while it was effective in the past, other trainers have found ways of counteracting what he does. It's still down to the fighters to execute the plan at the end of the day and too many, Khan included, opt to abandon the gameplan and get involved in tearups. Makes it more interesting for the fans, but the trainer must be tearing their hair out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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