NEED HELP!!!- Primary sources needed on old fights?

[BoxingJonUK]

Hey guys, I have realised much of the stuff I read on old fights is manufactured years after the event and Ive decided im gonna research some primary sources (newspapaer colomns, Magazine articles) from the time of certain fights. Can anybody help meout? Any online archive of such things for example? Any help would be great thanks!

[The_budweiser]

robsnell

http://boxingbiographies.com

 

Some good guys like Rob and DAllen here to help you with your questions.

[robsnell]

no problem.post list of what you are looking for or email me.

[BoxingJonUK]

Thanks a lot. Basically I want to study epic trilogies and see what the magazines and newpapers were saying at the time

 

Ali-Frazier

Ali-Norton

Holyfirld-Bowe

Zale-Graziano

Duran-Leonard

Duran-DEjesus

Tarver-Jones

Griffith-Paret

Pacquaio-Marquez

PAcquaio-Morales

Morales-Barrera

Gatti-Ward

Patterson John

Ross McLarnin

Gonzalez Carbajal

 

Any help you can give me will be massively appreciated

[robsnell]

so just a few !!!!!!

 

email me so I can send them. have quite a few already to go and look at others in between watching that small tv event

[BoxingJonUK]

Yeah those are what i wish to study lol. Any help you can provide would be massively appreciated. What is your email?

[WelshDevilRob]

Good bunch of 50's Magazines for sale by Otley.

 

http://www.ringnews24boxingforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=17175

[robsnell]

[email protected]

[robsnell]

Barney Ross Wins Welterweight Title

 

The Lethbridge Herald

29 May 1934

 

Barney Ross Wins Welterweight Title

Decisively Outpoints Jimmy McLarnin

 

Baby-Faced Irish-Canadian Proves No Match for

Ferocity of American Jew Who Draws Blood

Early in Fray and Continues Vicious

Attack—Both Scrappers Absorb Lots

of Punishment and Tire Near

Finish of Bout

 

(By Sam Robertson, Canadian Press Staff Writer.)

NEW YORK, May 29.

 

Barney Ross stood among the immortals of the ring today because of a tireless left-hand that might easily claim kinship to class one lightning. Directed by an agile, cool brain, that left drummed the welterweight crown off the brow of Jimmy McLarnin last night and made the lithe Chicago Hebrew the first fighting man ever to claim the lightweight and welter championships of the world as his own.

 

Some 65,000 sat under a starry sky in the Madison Square Garden Bowl on Long Island as the crafty and wrote the ring history other lightweight masters, Benny Leonard one of them, attempted and failed. They sat, almost silently, through slightly blood-spattered rounds as the Canadian's right with the cobra sting and Ross' left that crackles like a machine gun, turned the flow of battle this way and that

 

Then a tumultuous acclaim went up from that living sea of white faces for the boy who had dared and buried the banshee that so long accompanied the Vancouver Irishman in his personal war against Jewish ring men.

 

A sprinkling of hoots and Jeers greeted the announcement that McLarnin swelled to an unbroken line of nine the welterweight rulers deposed in their first title defence, but then the decision of the officials wasn't unanimous. One Judge voted McLarnin the victor; the other spoke just as strongly for Ross. Without hesitation Referee Eddie Forbes cast the decisive vote in favour of the product of Chicago's West Side.

 

Mainly Because he was out-sped, McLarnin lost the title that took 10 years In the winning. He had held one, inactive year. The inactivity seemed to enter into it, too, for

Jimmy saw more of his punches miss their mark last night than he had in his last 10 fights rolled into one.

 

He was shooting however at a target with the legs of a Percy Williams.Feline-like, Ross would attack with a flurry of lefts and rights, then either force an entangling clinch or dance out of danger's way. Jimmy's historic smile of battle was replaced by a look of grim determination as he sought a dancing, elusive chin to crush with his lethal right. But less than a dozen times could he locate it, and all but the once glancing blows followed.

 

As against the triumphant smile Ross, wore, there were tears in Jimmy's eyes as he hurried silently from the ring, shorn of his title. It was unlikely that he wept over the loss of Ills crown. It seemed more likely Jimmy's heart Just overflowed with chagrin because he had been unable to use the heavy ammunition that blasted his earlier path to the pinnacle.

 

In short he had been thwarted In a boxing match, and Jimmy is only at his best in a fight.

Lots of Tears

 

While Barney accepted the congratulations of hundreds and said, "It was grand fighting McLarnin, but he didn't hurt me," a little old lady sat weeping on a bench near his room. That was Barney's mother.They were tears of joy as she heard words of praise heaped upon the son she didn't want to be prizefighter.

 

Fifty yards from there, In McLarnin's quarters, there were tears of the other sort Many edged in to remind Jimmy of the fights ahead, but he hurried Into street clothes, unmindful of the consolation, and soon was away alone to a destination none would reveal.

 

Old "Pop" Foster, who spied the little Celt in a kids street corner fight and has managed him ever since, gently handled the well wishers. “Jimmy boy is alright” he said "But leave him alone. He doesn’t want to talk." Split decision or no, there was no word of dissent with the official verdict from Jimmy or Foster. In explanation, all' the veteran manager would say was "he shoulda kept fighting”

 

FIGHT BY ROUNDS

 

They met in the centre of the ring for instructions and went back to their corners, the bell rang and they came out fighting.

 

ROUND ONE

 

Ross felt for McLarnin’s head carefully with a long Left jab and Jimmy backed away. The Canadian ducked under Ross' left hand, missed with a left and right, and backed Barney ' slowly cross the ring. McLarnin dropped a short left hook on Ross' chin and Barney threw caution aside. He ripped into Jimmy with flurry of right and lefts to the body and then Fell back to a cautious crouch.

 

Ross backed to the ropes, flicking McLanin's head with lefts, and took two hard left hooks to the head and body. They loosened up then, and started swinging punches to the head. Jimmy dropped a hard right on Ross' neck and they slugged each other about the head, each with a right hand free, until the bell broke them and sent them to their corners.

 

ROUND TWO

 

Ross stabbed at Jimmy's head with his left and the Irishman bobbed underneath with a left hook to the body and a right cross to the chin that made the lightweight blink his eyes. McLarnin crowded the little fellow, roughing him with both hands, driving lefts and rights to the body. He drove Ross into a comer with a swift barrage of body blows, but Barney wheeled swiftly, pulled out, and stabbed Jimmy's head with lefts. McLarnin feinted and smashed hard right on Barney's Jaw. His ferocity slowly increasing, McLarnin smashed Ross to the ropes with a left and right to the body and nearly spilled him with a right high on the forehead. Desperately Ross fought back, catching McLarnin off guard with a swift two-fisted onslaught to the head, and he was driving McLarnln in before him at

the bell.

 

ROUND THREE

 

McLarnin bored into Ross with two left hooks to the body, took a half-dozen left jabs to the face, then backed Barney across the ring with two more short lefts to the head. Ross flicked Jimmy's head with a nice left jab and they wrestled a moment in a clinch. McLarnin belted Ross with a right to the chin and merely set him punching mad. Ross swarmed into Jimmy with both hands, hooking lefts to the body, rights to the head, and as McLarnin backed away, hard pressed, he missed a terrific right to the head. Ross whipped after him, shooting three left hooks to the body and a right to the head and got Jimmy, flustered, missed a long right hand aimed for the chin. Barney was up on his toes, boxing prettily, stabbing in deadly fashion with his left Into McLarnin's face, as the bell rang.

 

ROUND FOUR

 

McLarnin ducked, bobbed, wove under a stream of left hand jabs. A half-dozen caught his face, but he came up inside with a hard left and right, to the body. Jimmy hooked another left hard to the head before Ross standing up surprisingly well under McLarnin's heavy fire, tied up the welterweight champion in a Clinch. As they broke loose, Barney swiftly hanged two lefts to the body and he followed McLarnin into the ropes with -both hands pumping furiously to the Irishman's head and ribs. McLarnin caught him coming in with a hard right to the head, but he couldn’t stop the flashy Ross. A right drummed into Ross' body, but he shot back McLarnin's head with a crashing left hook that wobbled the Irishman's legs. McLarnin thundered both hands into Ross' s body again but Barney ripped two more left hooks into McLarnin's head. The bell rang and McLarnin went to his corner with blood trickling from his nose.

 

ROUND FIVE

 

Fighting more cautiously, McLarnin stood in midring and tried to match right hands with Ross. But Barney had the swifter jab, and Jimmy was forced to block and duck away. Jimmy came back fast with a right that made Barney blink again, but Ross shook off the blow and flashed two rights into Jimmy's head. McLarnin threw a long right into Ross's side and Barney flashed back with both hands to the head, drawing fresh blood from McLarnin's nose. Ross chased McLarnin across the ring and rocked him with a crushing volley of rights and lefts to the head. Jimmy wobbled and the crowd roared. Jimmy got his guard up and was holding Ross off with a left at the bell.

 

ROUND SIX

 

Blood was still seeping from McLarnin's nostrils as he came out jabbing carefully at the bell. He pecked his left into Ross' head, dropped two left hooks on the challenger's chin and promptly was tied in a clinch. As they sparred in mid-ring, Ross hooked his left fiercely to McLarnin's head, drove him into the ropes and then stepped back as McLarnin's head was caught under the upper strand. The crowd cheered as McLarnin freed himself and Ross came-right back with a straight right that started a lump under McLarnin's left eye. Floundering uncertainly, his face blood smeared, McLarnin managed to throw two long rights into Ross' body. Barney danced around him, the head, until the bell rang.

 

ROUND SEVEN

 

McLarnin fought desperately to make an opening for his right hand as It became more and more evident that he now had to put Ross down in order to win. He thumped two lefts on the challenger's chin and drove a hard right into Barney's head but Ross bounced back. Jimmy smashed a right into Barney's side and a spot on the side of his glove glowed red as McLarnin's glove came away. Jimmy drove his challenger across the ring with three lefts to the head but missed again with a left and left himself open for another of Ross’s cutting, lightning fast left hooks. A right drove into Barney's body. Ross ripped into McLarnin with both hands, flayed him all the way across the ring, and drew fresh smears of blood from Jimmy's battered face. They slugged toe to toe on the ropes and were fighting so furiously as the bell sounded, they did not hear the gong and Referee Forbes had to pull them apart.

 

ROUND EIGHT

 

Jimmy pounded at Ross' body with a long left, striving to get Ross's guard down. He succeeded, but the left hook he flashed at Ross' head landed high on the challenger's temple. Much steadier now, McLarnin pumped two left hooks Into Barney's chin and they belted each other about the body in a clinch. Ross poured a stream of left jabs into McLarnin's head but Jimmy pulled back and drove a hard right to the Jaw.

 

Ross hammered right back at McLarnin with two left hooks to the chin and both missed rights and lefts to the head as they started swinging from their sides. Ross hit McLarnin five times on the chin while McLarnin retorted twice. Jimmy's face spouted blood again and he fell into a clinch is the gong rang.

 

ROUND NINE

 

Fresh apparently as though he were just starting out, Ross danced out behind his biting left hand and flicked McLarnin's soggy features. Jimmy tied him up and they pummeled each other's body In close. McLarnin drove in with a long right to the head but again the once stunning wallop in the Irishman's glove merely incited Barney to fury. Ross stormed back with both hands, into Jimmy's face, as the crowd howled as blood spattered all over his face. As they matched left hooks In mid-ring, McLarnin smashed a short belt to the

jaw and Barney was bowled off his feet. He came up without a count, and as McLarnin tore in, swinging with both hands, Ross lifted a left hook to the Irishman's jaw and Jimmy flopped over on his haunches. He came right up grinning and they shook hands. They were belting each other furiously again as the gong rang.

 

ROUND TEN

 

They came right out into a clinch, both quite weary, and with Ross freshened for the first time with the aid of smelling salts in his corner. McLarnin pushed Ross across the ring, driving one good right to the body. Barney came off the ropes with two thudding left hooks to the chin. A long right and a high on the temple shook Ross, but he put down his head and tore into McLarnin savagely with both hands flinging a stream of leather to the Irishman's jaw. McLarnin almost fell from weariness as he missed a left hook and a right cross to the head, and Ross ripped furiously with both hands to the Irishman's body. Jimmy danced in an effort to get the spring back in his legs, and they bounced into each other, winging long rights to the head that shook them both. They were both wavering slightly at the bell.

 

ROUND ELEVEN

 

They seemed tired as they matched left jabs and Ross retreated all the way to the ropes Into McLarnin's glancing right to the body. Jimmy drove three rights to the body as they came off the ropes but Barney started blood streaming again from McLarnin's nose with a short, stabbing right. There wasn't much on their punches now as they loafed a moment in mid-ring but It was just a lull before the storm. Each loosed both hands simultaneously In two-fisted volleys to the head. They stood and swapped punches, full smashes, both teetering a bit in the blast. The crowd roared but the storm blew itself out and they leaned on each other, swapping lefts and rights in half hearted fashion, both very tired as the gong rang.

 

ROUND TWELVE

 

McLarnin stabbed the challenger's face with a long left jab and Barney answered in kind, neither landing effectively. McLarnin glanced a right off Ross' chin and pounded him into the ropes with both hands digging deep in the body. They wrestled clear, fell back Into another clinch, and Ross held as Jimmy sunk his heavy fists again into the challenger's ribs. Barney started to fight back but McLarnin caught him with another left hook and right cross to the head, and once more Ross held. Blood was seeping now from Ross' lips. Still concentrating on the body as Barney tired under the fusillade. McLarnin drove Ross into the ropes and kept up a drumming fire. Ross staggered from weariness as he missed a left hook to the head just as the gong clanged.

 

ROUND THIRTEEN

 

Ross boxed slowly and McLarnin pumped his head with left Jabs before he switched to the body with a hard left hook and short right. Ross tried to speed up, but McLarnin caught im with a left hook and right cross to the chin. Back came Ross courageously, shooting both hands In staccato fashion to McLarnin's head, but Ross savagely pounded his way out of three with a short two fisted attack inside to McLarnin's head. McLarnin was warned for hitting Ross low with a left hook but Barney took matters into his own hands, and flailed Jimmy with a short two-fisted rally. Ross hooked his left Into McLarnin's buttered face at the bell.

 

ROUND FOURTEEN

 

Referee Forbes signaled to the Judges that McLarnin had lost the last round because of a low blow. Ross danced out smartly, poking lefts Into Jimmy's face and they quickly fell Into slugging match In the centre of the ring. Ross beat McLarnin to the punch with three left hooks to the head but Jimmy landed one solid left smash on the challenger's chin. They leaned on each other In a clinch, banging each other on the back of the head with both hands. McLarnin speeded up and whipped two crunching left hooks into Barney's chin and Rom held on. He pulled loose quickly, buried both hands In McLarnin’s body in a furious exchange, wobbled for a second under a full right smash to the head, and then came back with mazing stamina to pummel McLarnin along the ropes He beat Jimmy consistently to punch with both hands from then until the bell rang.

 

ROUND FIFTEEN

 

McLarnin tore into Ross, chugging both hands to the body, but Barney met him with a counter fire. They slipped into a clinch and Ross held tightly while McLarnin sought to cave him in with body smashes. Jimmy shifted suddenly to the head and shot in three short Jarring left hooks but Barney stood toe to toe and slugged it out with him. Finally Barney ad to hold, the challenger wavered under a crashing right to the side. It was just for a second though, the challenger flew back furiously with both hands, belting madly at

McLarntn's head and sides. McLarnin staggered slightly as he missed a right, and they stood head to head, with a huge crowd yelling deliriously, wobbling and punching up to the final bell. They were so tired they had to hang onto each other for support until help came from the corner.

[The_budweiser]

Some links to help you with your research

 

http://www.ibroresearch.com/?page_id=148

[robsnell]

not heard from him so far

[BoxingJonUK]

Thanks guys that great. I will send you and email soon Rob. That newspaper article is brilliant exactly the sort of stuff I want. The link is brilliant also

[robsnell]

18 September 1934

 

The Register, Sandusky, Ohio

18 September 1934

McLarnin Wins Back welterweight Title In 15 Round Fight

Earns Split Decision Over Barney Ross AsCrowd In Disapproval

By EDWARD J. NEIL

MADISON SQUARE GARDEN BOWL, NEW YORK,

 

Jimmy McLarnin, greatest Irish warrior of his day, climbed back on his welterweight throne tonight, battering back the savage gameness of little Barney Ross, his onetime conqueror in 15 fierce controversial rounds.

 

He came back as he left the throne room three months ago by a split decision of two judges and

a referee, but amid a storm of boos of protest that flooded down on the ring like the rain that forced four postponements of the battle over the past 11 days.

 

Experts Disagree

 

It seemed to a majority of the experts around the ringside, and certainly to the scant crowd of

about 25,000 sitting under a dark and foreboding sky, that little Barney Ross, first man ever to hold both the lightweight and welterweight titles, at least earned a draw in the dazzling duel that shifted first in one direction and then in the other, then hack and forth again through the entire 15 blistering rounds.

 

There were no knockdowns, although McLarnin, his left eye completely closed, his nose trickling blood, his lips split, slipped twice In the 15th from sheer weariness. He never went all the way down either time. Ross, taking more of the Irishman's right hand smashes than any other warrior ever did and survived, was equally battered.

 

Referee Gives Decision

 

At the close, as they hung on each other, punch sodden and all but helpless, Tommy Shortell, one

of the judges, cast his vote for McLarnin. Charlie Lynch, the other judge balloted for Ross, leaving the issue up to Arthur Donovan, the referee. Three months ago at the close of their first match, two other Judges had forced a similar decision upon Eddie Forbes, another referee.

 

But as Forbes broke the deadlock in Ross' favor, so did Donovan tonight swing the issue the other way with a vote for the Irishman that continued the amazing string of failures of welterweight champions to win a first title defense, now standing at 11 straight. No welterweight champion from the time of Pete Latzo has been able to ward off his first challenger.

 

The crowd was about 25,000 and the gate receipts about $150,000. Ross,, who weighed 140 ¼ , entered the ring a 2 to 1 favorite, due to a last-minute shift of odds. McLarnin weighed 146 ¼ .

 

The battle was so close that Shortell gave McLarnin six rounds, Ross five and called four even; Lynch gave Ross seven, McLarnin six, and called two even. Donovan alone saw a really decisive margin either way. He gave McLarnin ten rounds and Ross five.

 

Most Critics Say Ross

 

The associated press scorecard made it equally close but returned the same vote as lynch for Ross – seven for the defending champion, six McLarnin and two even. Of 13 critics around the ringside, ten had Ross winning by margins of from one to four rounds, while only three agreed with Donavon that McLarnin won.

 

Rarely has a major battle been so desperately fought, yet so close, so shifting in the tides of favor, so even in the punishment that both took, wholesale and unflinching.

 

Absolutely disdainful of McLarnin's furious right hand smash, the punch that has been flattening the best fighters in every class from bantamweights through welters, over the past 14 years, Ross made it the slugging fight he had promised.

 

He was fighting, a different McLarnin tonight from the slow warrior he beat in May, a McLarnin with all his old speed and accuracy and beautiful, boxing skill. Yet round after round he stood with him and swapped right hand punches, swaying at times himself, then coming back with flashing smashes that buckled the Irishman's knees and made him hold.

[robsnell]

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Name: Jimmy McLarnin

Alias: Baby Face/Belfast Spider

Birth Name: James Mc Larnin

Born: 1907-12-19

Birthplace: Hillsborough, Northern Ireland, United Kingdom

Died: 2004-10-28 (Age:96)

Nationality: Canadian

Hometown: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada

Stance: Orthodox

Height: 5′ 6″ / 168cm

Reach: 67″ / 170cm

Boxing Record: click

[robsnell]

no email !!!, must have lost interest