The_budweiser Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Much of the boxing world is in darkness nowadays. Notably the part where Floyd Mayweather, Jr. is involved as he leaves many people “groping” again. And the recently concluded teeth-gnashing Mayweather-Ortiz comedy-drama is just another ugly attestation to the sad plight of the sport wherein the innocent fight fans have always been at the “receiving end.” Here’s the score: Mayweather didn’t win against Victor Orttiz and wasn’t able to grab the Welterweight belt from the champion who ripped Money Floyd in a flurry of solid punches in a couple of rounds. Mayweather was simply and foolishly declared the “legal winner” and was handed the leather symbol to wrap around his waist. But heaven can’t be fooled, for all is meaningless about the silly outcome of that fight. Watching the replay of the bout on video, things are clear as crystal. First is that Victor Ortiz was very much in the fight up to the bizarre round four and it’s not far-fetched that Vicious Ortiz could be on his way to knocking out Money Floyd as both of his power-laden left and quick right hands were successful penetrating the head of the shoulder-rolling defensive boxer. Second is that referee Joe Cortez was a huge blunder. He failed to give a signal understandable enough for both fighters to resume the fight during the head-butting incident in the fourth round. Note that Cortez was talking to some ring officials (which added to the confusion) when the sucker punch took place and it’s ridiculous that the “referee” didn’t even see the initial “knockout blow” coming. Read More: http://ringnews24.com//index.php/writers-columns/117-reni-m-valenzuela/30639--mayweather-didnt-win-against-ortiz.html#ixzz1YOUssxCk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 The author is a Filippino who is renowned for churning out articles praising Manny and damning Floyd. It's not far-fetched to suggest Ortiz was on his way to knocking out Floyd, but it is wishful thinking - Ortiz hadn't even wobbled him yet, so it's not like we were on the egdes of our seats wondering if Floyd could survive the 12. The entire article is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skav Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Morally, yes, it may have been wrong but the rules at the time said that Floyd could do what he did. But when you are in the ring having a fight, then is not the time for being moralistic. Ortiz was in the fight and by the time the fight finished I don't think Floyd had him figured out just yet at that point. But Ortiz has had his opportunity and he threw it away. He's neither got the temperament or the heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonrod Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Yet another high profile fight that has done no favours for the sport. I doubt very much if this fight brought in any new fans (in fact it probably resulted in the opposit). Mayweather's marginally legal cheap shots are no different to any street or pub fight I have every witnessed - you really would expect better from a professional (let alone the sports alledged No1 p4p!). I had stayed up to 4am to watch this - to say I was disappointed is to put it very politely!!!!! Add to that, Floyd's arguement with HBO's Larry Merchant. Yes Merchant is annoying, but yes he has the right to ask probing questions on behalf of the public (that is his job!). Floyd avoiding answering with his "you're always picking on me" voice - was PATHETIC. Then he gets offered out by the 80 year old. This scene will be a Youtube hit for sure, but still, it only ridicules our sport even further. I would have guessed that Mayweather may have beaten Ortiz in the later rounds, but we will never know this for sure now. What I probably can know for sure is that the MMA promoters will be rubbing their hands watching 'the best' that Boxing can offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBride Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 This fool sounds like those other fools that claim, as Solis was having the best of the round in the Klitchko fight, he was sure to win if he hadn't have hurt his leg. Ortiz had a decent first 2 rounds, and thats all he had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 So am I the only one who thought it was absolutely hilarious when Floyd decked him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAZZ-MCFC Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 So am I the only one who thought it was absolutely hilarious when Floyd decked him? What do you think? Come on Gav it's clear how much of a fan i am of Floyd's. Ortiz deserved everything he got, those apologetic kisses and hugs were as false as anything i've seen, and knocked me sick. It was quite funny in turn when Floyd then proceeded to flatten Ortiz with a nice crisp 1-2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBride Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 I doubt it, though personally i'd have preferred to see him school Ortiz for the next 6 rounds, then stop him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheelchair Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 That article in the first post is very badly written. It's way too biased to be taken seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_budweiser Posted September 19, 2011 Author Share Posted September 19, 2011 That article in the first post is very badly written. It's way too biased to be taken seriously. That's why i didn't post it on the front page of RN24 its in his own column Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skav Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Somebody bought up a very interesting, yet simple point about the conclusion of the fight. It was more of a question but here goes: How could Cortez start counting Ortiz if he didn't even see what happened? I said that Ortiz taking his time to get up and stumbling around the ring told the story but still..... I think Cortez was stuck between a rock and a hard place. If he didn't count because he missed it then he would be risking physical damage to Ortiz considering he took two defenseless lumps to the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Somebody bought up a very interesting, yet simple point about the conclusion of the fight. It was more of a question but here goes: How could Cortez start counting Ortiz if he didn't even see what happened? I said that Ortiz taking his time to get up and stumbling around the ring told the story but still..... I think Cortez was stuck between a rock and a hard place. If he didn't count because he missed it then he would be risking physical damage to Ortiz considering he took two defenseless lumps to the head. There is a number of interesting questions: 1-When did he start the clock? (before or after the shot?) 2-How much time was actually left on the clock? (Officially it was 2:59 but had the clock really restarted before the shots, if so...could it have been after the punch?) 3-If Cortez failed to see the shot (which it seems), like you said, can he count it? For all he knows a headbutt, a kick or low blow could have landed after the KO blow. 4-What was Ortiz ACTUALLY doing? According to Keith Kizer he had already called time in...so why was he not watching the fight? 5-Why is his expression "Oh shit"? (the pic has been floating around) Whilst Cortez was stuck between a hard place and a rock...it's simply his fault for being inept. He put himself in the same sort of situation with the Lorenzo/Soto farce...then forgot his own ruling when Gamboa does the same thing to Salido (instead choosing to deduct 2 points) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Galveston Giant Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Benny Ricardo asked Wayne McCullough if he thought Cortez would play a factor in the fight before the first bell and he made a point of reminding everybody after the fight, there is a potential for madness to happen in every Cortez fight unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Regarding the count, I think there's a second official outside the ring who is counting and from whom Cortez seems to pick up the count, so mayeb he took it from him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londoner Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 I think Ortiz was a cheat for deliberately trying to headbutt Floyd, Floyd was unsportsmanlike for punching Ortiz the way he did and Cortez is a wizened old man who needs to retire because the fights he is in charge of are become increasingly more farcical. Overall, i don't blame Floyd for punching Ortiz and i suppose Ortiz was looking at Floyd and then turned his head (just before the final punch) so he can be blamed for not having his guard up. I think the farce at the end didn't even need to happen though if a competent referee was in there. Am i wrong in thinking that if a sane referee was in there he would have been pulling Ortiz off of Floyd and saying: "STOP HUGGING HIM!!! START FIGHTING!"? It seems like Cortez was just in his own little World letting the two do whatever they wanted and as Steve Bunce said after the fight a boxer could end up getting seriously injured if Cortez keeps being allowed to referee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooklynbrawler Posted September 25, 2011 Share Posted September 25, 2011 Were it not for the fact that Ortiz made a brutal diving heabutt effort immediately preceding the incident, then I think more people would have made more of an outcry about the punches which finished the fight. There's a lot less sympathy for Ortiz given he deliberately fouled Floyd right before he was suckered himself. Taking nothing away from that, it was a couple of cheap shots and a very poor way to "win" a fight. I remember McCloskey doing something similar recently to beat Lauri, and there wasn't too much of an outcry afterwards. It's maybe because it's Floyd that some people are making more of an issue of it. A wins a win, but still, at the end of the day a cheap shot doesn't make anyone a real winner imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irondave85 Posted September 26, 2011 Share Posted September 26, 2011 I remember McCloskey doing something similar recently to beat Lauri, and there wasn't too much of an outcry afterwards. I think that's because Lauri was acting the maggot all night and constantly looking to the ref for help for fouls which existed in his own mind. Lauri is notorious for these sort of antics and it came back to bite him in the arse that night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 The EBU ordered a rematch for the Mccloskey one and there was an outcry....mainly from Lauri's camp. Dudey gave up the belt to fight Khan... Thinking about it, Dudey seems to be getting in controversial fights quite regularly now a days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheelchair Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 Thinking about it, Dudey seems to be getting in controversial fights quite regularly now a days... 'Crappy' would be a more appropriate epithet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irondave85 Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 'Crappy' would be a more appropriate epithet. I, for one, enjoyed the Prescott fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siren1927 Posted September 27, 2011 Share Posted September 27, 2011 So am I the only one who thought it was absolutely hilarious when Floyd decked him? No Gav I did as well. It was legal, and a dam nice combo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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