Should Floyd be deducted points for repeated use of elbows?

[londoner]

The weekend is nearly upon us and we will once again witness boxing's "bad boy" Floyd Mayweather Jr fight.

 

I've been watching some of his fights and you see the same repeated fouls over and over again in most of his fights. Notably the use of the elbow.

 

I have gone through his Boxrec record and can't see any fights where he was deducted a point although Boxrec records don't always supply details like that.

 

Funnily enough i did see that Carlos Hernandez was deducted a point in round 12 for elbowing Floyd.

 

Anyway, watch this highlight video which gives some great examples of where Floyd uses his elbows to defend himself or push opponents back.

 

I think it's safe to say, in my eyes anyway, these are deliberate and repeated fouls.

 

Boxers can be deducted a point for what a referee perceives to be a deliberate clash of heads or for low blows. But it seems Floyd has never been deducted a point for deliberate use of the elbows which is just as much of a foul IMO.

 

[londoner]

I voted yes.

[Wheelchair]

Yes, as should any fighter fouling another.

[davemurphy]

I voted Yes. It's an effective tactic and goes hand-in-hand with Floyd's ducking behind his shoulder, but it IS illegal. In some ways it's like how Ali got by with holding people behind the head for his entire career and never was penalized.

[McBride]

I think he should be deducted points just for being Floyd Mayweather. That is the only hope most of the other guys have got of beating him.

[grapevine241]

yes, but its not like its a fight changing tactic. mares' low blows are fight altering, the elbow is more like wlad holding his jab out or ali holding behind the head (like davemurphy said)

[grapevine241]

I think he should be deducted points just for being Floyd Mayweather. That is the only hope most of the other guys have got of beating him.

 

lol a handicap might make some of his fights marginally competitive. maybe they should try with the klitschkos as well.

[londoner]

yes, but its not like its a fight changing tactic. mares' low blows are fight altering, the elbow is more like wlad holding his jab out or ali holding behind the head (like davemurphy said)

 

I think the elbow is a bit more than just holding though. It makes it much tougher to punch him cleanly, it adds the risk of being cut on the face and it's generally just unfair to have a part of the body which is an illegal weapon in boxing (elbow or forearm) being shoved in your face. Trying to punch him is tough enough as it is but doing so when an elbow is in your mouth must make it near impossible. Big jabs (and big reach) are fine because it's leading with the glove.

[RAZZ-MCFC]

I would have thought everybody would vote yes for this?

 

Floyd should be deducted points if he uses repeated elbows, but that's only if his opponent isn't doing the same. If his opponent is dishing out dirty tactics as well like has been the case in the past, then i'd just let it go if i was the ref, fuck it! Unless it's extreme low blows obviously mlol/

[The_budweiser]

I can see Ortiz maybe losing points for punching on the back of the head, Mayweather might exploit what Berto kind of exploited.

[Skav]

Yeah, but in fairness Hatton used to do it a lot too back in the early days. Btw, Floyd has a tendency to duck below his opponent's waist line to avoid shots. I would think that's also illegal.

[Wheelchair]

Yeah, but in fairness Hatton used to do it a lot too back in the early days. Btw, Floyd has a tendency to duck below his opponent's waist line to avoid shots. I would think that's also illegal.

 

It is indeed.

[LondonRingRules]

Re: Should Floyd be deducted points for repeated use of elbo

 

The weekend is nearly upon us and we will once again witness boxing's "bad boy" Floyd Mayweather Jr fight.

 

I've been watching some of his fights and you see the same repeated fouls over and over again in most of his fights. Notably the use of the elbow.

 

----- He does throw the elbow or push with it on a regular basis. It was a thrown elbow that cut Holy by Larry Holmes who knew all the dirty tricks, so it's a dangerous foul.

 

He also hits on the break and is never called on it because he's the house fighter, and his Sugar Daddy Cortez will make sure to disrupt any momentum Ortiz gains with frequent breaks and warnings including points deductions.

 

Likely Ortiz is no fool and understands he needs a KO to win, so his best chance is early on which is how he took Berto out of his game. In a fairly regulated fight, I give Ortiz a big chance for the upset as the developing fighter, but if he listens to Cortez, he's doomed.

 

Not the fight that the public wanted to see, but credit to Floydy for picking a bigger, younger more dangerous fighter than he's used to.

 

Ends up as a different kind of fight for both of them.

[McBride]

Nigel Benn always ducked below the opponents waistline, and I dont remember him being deducted points. Just look how low to the canvas he is in the first round or two of the McClellan fight.

 

As for Mayweather, how much of it is the elbow, as opposed to the forearm, which I dont think is illegal. He isn't hitting with it, more using it to stop the other guy getting close to him.

[grapevine241]

yes, but its not like its a fight changing tactic. mares' low blows are fight altering, the elbow is more like wlad holding his jab out or ali holding behind the head (like davemurphy said)

 

I think the elbow is a bit more than just holding though. It makes it much tougher to punch him cleanly, it adds the risk of being cut on the face and it's generally just unfair to have a part of the body which is an illegal weapon in boxing (elbow or forearm) being shoved in your face. Trying to punch him is tough enough as it is but doing so when an elbow is in your mouth must make it near impossible. Big jabs (and big reach) are fine because it's leading with the glove.

 

didnt say it wasnt more than holding. also has anyone been cut as a result of floyd's elbow? not to my memory

[londoner]

I can't remember when Floyd has cut an opponent. But i still don't think it's reason to stick his elbows out. He could argue that it doesn't do any damage (as in cut his opponents faces) but on the other hand it could be argued that it disallows his opponents to get near him because they have an elbow in their face.

 

Floyd actually fought pretty clean last night, aside from the final two punches.

[markD]

Yes, an elbow can be more dangerous than a headbutt.

 

If it is the one off you would give him the benefit of the doubt.

[davemurphy]

Nigel Benn always ducked below the opponents waistline, and I dont remember him being deducted points.

 

The worst case of all was Pernell Whitaker, who on a few occasion came very close to having his butt touch the canvas, which could've been ruled a KD. At least on those occasions, when he was nearly under the opponents knee and not just his waistline, the Refs DID issue him a warning.