Wheelchair Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 Negotiations to match WBO, WBA, IBF and RING heavyweight beltholder Wladimir Klitschko against 39-year-old former cruiserweight titleholder Jean Marc Mormeck on Dec. 10 are "virtually a done deal," a source close to Klitschko told RingTV.com. "I am told that it's very close," said the source. The 35-year-old Klitschko (56-3, 49 KOs) will pursue his 15th straight victory and his 11th knockout during that run at the ESPRIT arena in Düsseldorf, Germany. Mormeck (36-4, 22 KOs) has won three straight heavyweight bouts since being dethroned as WBA and WBC cruiserweight beltholder in November of 2007 by David Haye (25-2, 23 KOs), whom Mormeck floored earlier in the bout. Haye's 15-fight winning was ended by Klitschko via unanimous decision in July. Mormeck was also stopped in the 10th round in January of 2006 by O'Neil Bell (26-4-1, 24 KOs), whom he then decisioned two fights and fourteen months later to regain the WBA and WBC belts. http://ringtv.craveonline.com/rumors/articles/169068-w-klitschko-mormeck-is-close-for-dec-10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheelchair Posted September 14, 2011 Author Share Posted September 14, 2011 Mormeck has a KO percentage of just 55%, and has only scored one KO since 2004. What's he going to keep Wladimir off with exactly? Ken Dodd's tickling stick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 Mormeck has a KO percentage of just 55%, and has only scored one KO since 2004. What's he going to keep Wladimir off with exactly? Ken Dodd's tickling stick? ...he's still the best win on Haye's record...which says an awful lot about both Haye's career and this fight =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 Aside from Povetkin or Helenius it's difficult to see what next to be honest- he's beaten most of the others in the division or else they're not available. Hopefully this is a keep-busy before Povetkin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulais_valley Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 Mormeck has a KO percentage of just 55%, and has only scored one KO since 2004. What's he going to keep Wladimir off with exactly? Ken Dodd's tickling stick? ...he's still the best win on Haye's record...which says an awful lot about both Haye's career and this fight =/ Wow you really manage to make every thread about Haye don't you Iam? It's faintly ludicrous to compare the 2007 Mormeck that fought at cruiserweight to the 2011 version fighting at heavyweight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 Yeah, mormeck was a silly fight when it was a Haye rematch at heavy, but at cruiser he was still an excellent fighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeelowHeights Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 The problem with the Klitschkos, and I'll keep saying it, is that they are too dominant. If there isn't a top heavyweight fight worth watching as the outcome is pretty much known in advance, then it's up to the other guys to up their own games. Same with this nonsensical "boring" jibe. If you want them to fight, then see if any of their opponents drag them into a brawl. It doesn't come as too much of a shock that nearly all their opponents have been completely incapable or indeed shit scared of doing so. This is a poor fight, but not many of the young guns are feasibly ready yet. After all, there was plenty of hue and cry about Kevin Johnson being inexperienced and / or not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skav Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 Like I said, if the Klits lost then the titles would end up in the hands of jokers. It's better that they are around. At least we have a clear picture of the scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheelchair Posted September 14, 2011 Author Share Posted September 14, 2011 Aside from Povetkin or Helenius it's difficult to see what next to be honest- he's beaten most of the others in the division or else they're not available. Hopefully this is a keep-busy before Povetkin. Once Wlad's beaten Povektin the WBA will no doubt make him the Super Duper Champion, and give the regular title to someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ko Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 To sell this fight they will probably say he dropped Haye and was weight drained so couldnt finish the job off. One thing you get with Mormeck is he always comes to fight, he wont run. Its another defence but who else would have been better that would have taken the fight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheelchair Posted September 14, 2011 Author Share Posted September 14, 2011 Why not give Helenius a shot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 Mormeck has a KO percentage of just 55%, and has only scored one KO since 2004. What's he going to keep Wladimir off with exactly? Ken Dodd's tickling stick? ...he's still the best win on Haye's record...which says an awful lot about both Haye's career and this fight =/ Wow you really manage to make every thread about Haye don't you Iam? It's faintly ludicrous to compare the 2007 Mormeck that fought at cruiserweight to the 2011 version fighting at heavyweight. The topic is about Moremeck is it not?...Who is still the best win on Haye's career? Whilst Moremeck isn't the same fighter he once was it's pretty damning that Haye hasn't managed to get a genuinely good win in 4 years. The problem with the heavyweight division has been shown with both Haye and Mormeck-you don't need to be top fighters to be given title fights. Had either man faced one of the other top 10 fighters (don't throw Valuev's name out there, he'd been beaten by Holyfield and inactive) then we'd have considered either fight to be infinitely better than they really were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeelowHeights Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 Why not give Helenius a shot? Is he realistically going to be able to get ready for a world title fight three months after his previous fight? Not to mention the fact we don't know if negotiations took place. I doubt Povetkin will face either of the Klitschkos as long as Teddy Atlas has something to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londoner Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 This is an awful fight IMO. Possibly Wlad's worst defence in many years. There are a few fights out there which are pretty interesting IMO: Povetkin, Helenius, Arreola, Dimitrenko, Boystov, Stiverne. And he won't be fighting them all on the same night, so if he fought Povetkin and Arreola next the others would have progressed more by the time he gets round to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Galveston Giant Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 Yeah, terrible fight, wish he would just fight Povetkin as he's clutching at straws now. I believe he would defeat Povetkin but at least there's a chance he could win or at least make it competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleman370 Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 haven't seen most that you listed, londoner, but i know arreola and stiverne would be worthless fights. arreola has shown what he his: a semi-crude brawler. he'll be out jabbed on fight night against wlad. stiverne i've only seen against austin, and damn, that fight was close before stiverne iced him. close. with ray austin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted September 14, 2011 Share Posted September 14, 2011 Yeah, terrible fight, wish he would just fight Povetkin as he's clutching at straws now. I believe he would defeat Povetkin but at least there's a chance he could win or at least make it competitive. Problem here is Povetkin has decided to not get in the ring with him. Until a fighter forces their face into the title scene by beating the B class fighters (which Helenius is doing) no one will be taken seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Jean Marc Mormeck is not the fighter he was and its a nice easy win for Wlad. Division is really thin if this is one of the best options out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Galveston Giant Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Yeah, terrible fight, wish he would just fight Povetkin as he's clutching at straws now. I believe he would defeat Povetkin but at least there's a chance he could win or at least make it competitive. Problem here is Povetkin has decided to not get in the ring with him. Until a fighter forces their face into the title scene by beating the B class fighters (which Helenius is doing) no one will be taken seriously. Yeah i'm sure Povetkin was Wlad's mandatory on a few occasions and was paid to step aside, i thought it was strange he was so willing but he was nowhere ready and still isn't i don't think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 Yeah, terrible fight, wish he would just fight Povetkin as he's clutching at straws now. I believe he would defeat Povetkin but at least there's a chance he could win or at least make it competitive. Problem here is Povetkin has decided to not get in the ring with him. Until a fighter forces their face into the title scene by beating the B class fighters (which Helenius is doing) no one will be taken seriously. Yeah i'm sure Povetkin was Wlad's mandatory on a few occasions and was paid to step aside, i thought it was strange he was so willing but he was nowhere ready and still isn't i don't think. He was never paid to step aside, he just...walked away...or failed to turn up for key things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonrod Posted September 15, 2011 Share Posted September 15, 2011 We just have to face it that the Heavyweight division is dominated by the 2 Ukrainian brothers. All opposition in this era is never going to change that. Every name put forward to face either Klitschko is going to face ridicule..... They are just too big for the 'average' heavyweights of 14st 4. Is the time right to introduce a 'Super' heavyweight division? As the size difference in the recent Adamek v Vitali made for uncomfortable viewing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 People are always suggestuing a super-heavyweight ivision, but what's the point? The Klitschkos and Valuev in a division of their own? Maybe Arreola because he's so fat? Adamek is a former light heavyweight who decided to move through the divisions to heavy, so he's niot a real heavyweight anyway. He knew what he was doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londoner Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 I agree with Gav. A super heavyweight division would consist of the Klitschko brothers and Valuev (who isn't returning any time soon or at all) while the HW division would be ruled by guys the Klitschkos beat easy. Plenty of heavyweight eras had guys who dominated: Lennox Lewis, Jack Johnson and how about the 13 year reign of Joe Louis? Nobody is good enough to beat the Klitschko brothers the same way nobody was good enough to beat Joe Louis for 13 years. Some people say that Joe Louis (and numerous others) can be forgiven for being so dominant because they were so exciting. Maybe so. But it comes back to the same thing: How much influence should fans have on a boxer's strategy? IMO, none whatsoever. A boxer should fight however he/she feels comfortable. Afterall, if you don't like it, don't watch it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemurphy Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 Yeah, terrible fight, wish he would just fight Povetkin as he's clutching at straws now. I believe he would defeat Povetkin but at least there's a chance he could win or at least make it competitive. Problem here is Povetkin has decided to not get in the ring with him. Until a fighter forces their face into the title scene by beating the B class fighters (which Helenius is doing) no one will be taken seriously. I couldn't be more disappointed with Teddy Atlas, he's selling his integrity for the sake of Alexander Povitkin and this phony baloney WBA title, and his wanting to have a HW Champ to go with Moorer. Then to say he should take easy defenses for awhile, and apparently being okay with a soon to be 49 year old Holyfield as first on the list? Gimme a break!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted September 16, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2011 I think we'd struggle to create a Top 10 list for Super Heavyweights. Even Audley Harrison might get another shot. I think boxing needs to see what happens once the Klitschko's have retired and see how the division pans out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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