londoner Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Vitali Klitschko beat Tomasz Adamek by 10th round TKO. Klitschko dominated the fight from start to finish aside from round 4 which Adamek won IMO. I think Vitali should be less cautious and go for the KO earlier though. He's like a cat with a mouse who just toys with his opponent. Adamek can be proud of his performance though. He got in there with the toughest HW in the World and really gave it his best shot. Compare that to Haye's performance against Wladimir. Haye's only priority was picking up his cash and coming up with what excuse to use after the fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheelchair Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Adamek was very brave, and he's got nothing to be ashamed of. It might be the ideal opportunity to retire now. Just who is going to beat Vitali? I can see him retiring after another year or two as the unbeaten champion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ko Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Not been a big fan of the Klitschkos, but just decided to wnjoy what they do, they will only be around a few more years, I hope there is at least one person who can give one of then a challenge in the next few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fighteruk Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Very one sided fight http://www.fighteruk.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 If Solis can lose a bit of weight he might be a credible threat - I had him winning the round against Vitali before the injury occurred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAZZ-MCFC Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 If Solis can lose a bit of weight he might be a credible threat - I had him winning the round against Vitali before the injury occurred. I think that also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapevine241 Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 couldnt have seen the fight going any other way than it did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ko Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 If Solis can lose a bit of weight he might be a credible threat - I had him winning the round against Vitali before the injury occurred. I agree, but I doubt he will lose 20-30lbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skav Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 People need to stop wishing defeat on these two guys. We have two clear heavyweight champs and the last thing I'd want is for the most prestigious prize in sport to fall into the hands of a doughneat eating, fat out of shape desireless undeserving twit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londoner Posted September 13, 2011 Author Share Posted September 13, 2011 People need to stop wishing defeat on these two guys. We have two clear heavyweight champs and the last thing I'd want is for the most prestigious prize in sport to fall into the hands of a doughneat eating, fat out of shape desireless undeserving twit. I agree. As for peoples' views on the Klitschkos, i just don't know what people want. When there are 4 champions in a weight class, we all want the titles to be united. Lewis, Calzaghe, Hopkins etc accomplished this in recent years. That is what we ALL want to see. The Klitschkos do the exact thing we all want and then everyone slags them off. Why? If the reason is because they are boring or whatever, what's it to anyone else? It's nobody's business how they fight. It's entirely up to the fighters. If the reason is because they're too dominant, then that is the worst reason in the history of sport. Should Federer and Nadal retire? Why not? They've been dominating tennis now for a decade. Should New Zealand have to retire from the Tri Nations? Why not? They've won 75% of them. Should Brazil have been forced to stop playing football in the 60s after winning the World cup in 1958 and 1962? People have strange views about the Klitshckos. Their dominance is because they are incredible ATHLETES. In no other sport do athletes get told to piss off because they are so dominant. The ONLY thing people can hope for if they don't like the Klitschkos is that the athletes around them get better. Examples: Federer and Nadal have been awesome for a decade. Djokovic has now won 3 grand slams this year. New Zealand dominate the Tri Nations most years. Australia won it this year. England weren't very good at cricket for a long time. They're now the number 1 test playing team in the World. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulais_valley Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 While I don't necessarilly agree with it I think the boring side of things is one of the main reason Londoner. They are dominant in the division but, particularly Wlad, they fight too cautiously. Take the Haye-Wlad fight for instance. Despite the woeful nature of Haye's performance, Wlad was totally disinterested in actually making a fight rather just knicking every round on points. I reckon you'd have to be crazy to consider Wlad's style in that fight enjoyable, exciting or anything else. The only time I see Wlad try to press a fight is when he is in with dross. The same can't be said for most other world caliber fighters, they normally try to do much more in the ring. You're right in that it is nobody's business but that doesn't mean people have to like it. It's a free world and people can slag their style off all they like. I personally feel the negativity of their fighting reinforces the impression that they really aren't that passionate about the sport and just want to put their natural gifts to good use. Good luck to them for that but the viewing public doesn't have to like it. If we go back to the examples you use - New Zealand don't shy away from putting 100 points on a small team if they have a chance, top football teams happily rip a worse team to shreds rather than scoring one and then passing the ball about for the remaining minutes and the tennis greats all play attractive tennis which is why they are so much popular than people like Sampras was at his peak. I rarely see hte Klitschkos (again, particularly Wlad) ever try to put on a show for the fans or do anything exciting. Just the way I see it and I won't miss them when they're gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 The problem is they aren't American. If they were called Clinton or Bush they would be heralded as greats. They fit everything the American public love. They are white (and lets be honest, how much did america want a great white hope?), they are dominant, they can stop fights at any instant, they are respectful and they seemingly can go on for a bloody long time... Instead of being American icons they are Ukrainians and as a result they are boring. The biggest PPV star out there today is seen as "boring" in the ring and too dominant... He's an odd fact, Haye landed a higher % on Wlad than Mosley did on Mayweather Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulais_valley Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 I'm sure you're right Iam but do you reckon the nationality thing makes American fans more objective or less objective? Ie is it a case of reverse-causality? So if they were American of course they would be hugely popular. But that doesn't necessarily mean they would be rationally so. Maybe their shortcomings would just be ignored because they were American. I can't help but feel that if Mike Tyson was Ukrainian he would still have been wildly popular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 I think it skews an awful lot. Lets not forget their views on Lennox "he's boring" and now "we miss him". Maybe fair to compare Tyson to Tua, whilst Tua has a cult following, he went out to behead folk and yet only got 1 title chance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londoner Posted September 13, 2011 Author Share Posted September 13, 2011 @ Dulais. I agree people don't have to like them and can slag them off if they want. But some people actually beg for them to retire. Like somehow their retirement will make everything better. It isn't anybody's business when they retire. They can stick around for as long as they want. Boxing is their job and workers have rights. It's their right to earn a living etc and they're fit and healthy so are not a danger to themselves. Other teams do put on more of a show. NZ crush opponents, Mufc win league titles for fun etc. But, i'm sure there are many clubs in the lower echelons of these sports who hate the fact the best their own team can hope for is to avoid relegation. I'm sure Mufc fans are loving the 5-0 wins. But i'm sure there are many Bolton and Wigan fans who would like to see the league become fairer so everyone genuinely has a chance to win. They don't beg for Mufc to be forced out of the sport though. I presume they would want to see a change in the system/rules and not just the eviction of Mufc from the league. @ Scott. I agree part of it is because they aren't American. But that only affects the view of American fans. I think it's a case of them not being the same nationality as the fans who disapprove of them. They're not British so Brits don't like them, they're not Puerto Rican so Puerto Ricans don't like them etc. I do think mainland Europeans have a more liberal view on these issues though. For example, Germany houses many of these eastern European boxers and see them as "one of their own". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 @ Scott. I agree part of it is because they aren't American. But that only affects the view of American fans. I think it's a case of them not being the same nationality as the fans who disapprove of them. They're not British so Brits don't like them, they're not Puerto Rican so Puerto Ricans don't like them etc. I do think mainland Europeans have a more liberal view on these issues though. For example, Germany houses many of these eastern European boxers and see them as "one of their own". Where is the proverbial home of boxing? The USA, the US media (think Ring, HBO, Showtime, ESPN) are what English speaking boxing fans get fed off. You keep getting it hammered into you that these guys are "boring" you sort of go "oh well..they must be everyone is telling me they are" and it snow balls. I don't understand how anyone finds Vitali boring, the guy sets out to hurt you and throws a lot in an attempt to do that. Also remember German audiences typically like to "get their money's worth", they'd rather a fight went more than a round or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londoner Posted September 13, 2011 Author Share Posted September 13, 2011 True. I know Lennox Lewis was meant to be "boring" but i do think that had a lot to do with the fact a guy born in the UK ruled a division which still had a lot of American talents in it: Holyfield, Bowe, Tyson (older), Briggs, McCall, Rahman, Tucker, Witherspoon.... But Lewis was the number one. The reason i think Americans no longer care about the state of the HW division is because they don't have any realistic contenders. Back then they did. Back then American networks spoke about American HWs bringing the title "home", now they do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grapevine241 Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 The problem is they aren't American. If they were called Clinton or Bush they would be heralded as greats. They fit everything the American public love. They are white (and lets be honest, how much did america want a great white hope?), they are dominant, they can stop fights at any instant, they are respectful and they seemingly can go on for a bloody long time... Instead of being American icons they are Ukrainians and as a result they are boring. The biggest PPV star out there today is seen as "boring" in the ring and too dominant... He's an odd fact, Haye landed a higher % on Wlad than Mosley did on Mayweather yup i think you're right. people see the klitschkos and, sadly, cant help but think ivan drago or the cold war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonrod Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 The "boring" label has only been placed onto the Klitschko brothers as they usually beat their opposition so easily (especially Vitali who barely ever loses a single round, has never been even knocked down, always looks for the KO, has only lost twice through injury (cuts & shoulder)). Boring, no. Dominant - hell yes. Wladamir is different as he is not really a natural fighter, technical and has suffered KO defeats. The Adamek fight went exactly as I thought it would - extremely painful to watch!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulais_valley Posted September 13, 2011 Share Posted September 13, 2011 Really good responses Iam and Londoner. I'd also throw into the ring the idea that the whole debate is distorted by the fact that so many talk of "the Klitschkos" (myself included). There is a vast difference between the two fighters that should be recognised but all too often isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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