RAZZ-MCFC Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 At lightweight, and also at light welterweight. What do you guys think? Both animals in the ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheelchair Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 Pacquiao would have to be at the very top of his form to win, but a prime Lightweight Duran would be victorious. At 140, Manny has more chance, and might sneak a win with a slightly overweight Roberto being a little too slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonRingRules Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 Re: Roberto Duran vs Manny Pacquiao At lightweight, and also at light welterweight. What do you guys think? Both animals in the ring. ----- Not any kind of legit match the way you have set the conditions. You've ignored the huge weighin differences of their eras not to mention that Manny had exactly ONE fight at lightweight and Duran had zero title fights at 140. Nor have you set any time frames for the bout. Duran was beat by DeJesus after he first won the LW title, so it's not a stretch to think the feather/superfeather versions of Manny which would best equalize the comparative size of the fighters could beat that version of Duran. The Manny whose sole loss in the decade was to Morales was beset by legal problems with his promoter/manager contracts and fight contract, so it's not a stretch to think the best LW version of Duran could beat that version of Manny. The most equalized competitive fight would be at welter where their ring weights and experience are roughly equal as would be the odds. Normally I favor Duran in most contests since up to the 1st Leonard fight he was in control of his weight and could arguably beat any welt in history, but the same could be said for a new millennium southpaw Manny who is as tough a nut ever made and with tricky quick power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAZZ-MCFC Posted September 7, 2011 Author Share Posted September 7, 2011 Re: Roberto Duran vs Manny Pacquiao At lightweight, and also at light welterweight. What do you guys think? Both animals in the ring. ----- Not any kind of legit match the way you have set the conditions. You've ignored the huge weighin differences of their eras not to mention that Manny had exactly ONE fight at lightweight and Duran had zero title fights at 140. Nor have you set any time frames for the bout. Duran was beat by DeJesus after he first won the LW title, so it's not a stretch to think the feather/superfeather versions of Manny which would best equalize the comparative size of the fighters could beat that version of Duran. The Manny whose sole loss in the decade was to Morales was beset by legal problems with his promoter/manager contracts and fight contract, so it's not a stretch to think the best LW version of Duran could beat that version of Manny. The most equalized competitive fight would be at welter where their ring weights and experience are roughly equal as would be the odds. Normally I favor Duran in most contests since up to the 1st Leonard fight he was in control of his weight and could arguably beat any welt in history, but the same could be said for a new millennium southpaw Manny who is as tough a nut ever made and with tricky quick power. Fucking hell it isn't rocket science, there's no obstacles. The best Manny vs the best Duran. It doesn't matter how long or for how little they fought there, they both fought at those weights at some point in their careers. It's mythical we aren't talking real life so there's obviously not going to be obstructions like legal and contractual issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheelchair Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 Re: Roberto Duran vs Manny Pacquiao At lightweight, and also at light welterweight. What do you guys think? Both animals in the ring. ----- Not any kind of legit match the way you have set the conditions. You've ignored the huge weighin differences of their eras not to mention that Manny had exactly ONE fight at lightweight and Duran had zero title fights at 140. Nor have you set any time frames for the bout. Duran was beat by DeJesus after he first won the LW title, so it's not a stretch to think the feather/superfeather versions of Manny which would best equalize the comparative size of the fighters could beat that version of Duran. The Manny whose sole loss in the decade was to Morales was beset by legal problems with his promoter/manager contracts and fight contract, so it's not a stretch to think the best LW version of Duran could beat that version of Manny. The most equalized competitive fight would be at welter where their ring weights and experience are roughly equal as would be the odds. Normally I favor Duran in most contests since up to the 1st Leonard fight he was in control of his weight and could arguably beat any welt in history, but the same could be said for a new millennium southpaw Manny who is as tough a nut ever made and with tricky quick power. No way would ANY version of Duran have beaten Sugar Ray Robinson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheelchair Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 Re: Roberto Duran vs Manny Pacquiao At lightweight, and also at light welterweight. What do you guys think? Both animals in the ring. ----- Not any kind of legit match the way you have set the conditions. You've ignored the huge weighin differences of their eras not to mention that Manny had exactly ONE fight at lightweight and Duran had zero title fights at 140. Nor have you set any time frames for the bout. Duran was beat by DeJesus after he first won the LW title, so it's not a stretch to think the feather/superfeather versions of Manny which would best equalize the comparative size of the fighters could beat that version of Duran. The Manny whose sole loss in the decade was to Morales was beset by legal problems with his promoter/manager contracts and fight contract, so it's not a stretch to think the best LW version of Duran could beat that version of Manny. The most equalized competitive fight would be at welter where their ring weights and experience are roughly equal as would be the odds. Normally I favor Duran in most contests since up to the 1st Leonard fight he was in control of his weight and could arguably beat any welt in history, but the same could be said for a new millennium southpaw Manny who is as tough a nut ever made and with tricky quick power. f***** hell it isn't rocket science, there's no obstacles. The best Manny vs the best Duran. It doesn't matter how long or for how little they fought there, they both fought at those weights at some point in their careers. It's mythical we aren't talking real life so there's obviously not going to be obstructions like legal and contractual issues. You might as well bang your head against a brick wall Razz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonRingRules Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 Re: Roberto Duran vs Manny Pacquiao f***** hell it isn't rocket science, there's no obstacles. The best Manny vs the best Duran. It doesn't matter how long or for how little they fought there, they both fought at those weights at some point in their careers. It's mythical we aren't talking real life so there's obviously not going to be obstructions like legal and contractual issues. ----- It ain't even boxing science the way you scripted the match. In boxing there's always obstacles to making fights which is why a slew of great fights never got made. You chose to ignore the career timelines of what is practical which is what putting pen to contract is all about, the first step in making a promoter's big match. English comprehension also helps. I gave the best versions of Duran and Manny which are also their biggest promotional years. I'll let you fightem on your playstations and give us the 100% guaranteed definitive results. In the real world which is where results are posted, flip a coin a dozen times and that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAZZ-MCFC Posted September 7, 2011 Author Share Posted September 7, 2011 Re: Roberto Duran vs Manny Pacquiao f***** hell it isn't rocket science, there's no obstacles. The best Manny vs the best Duran. It doesn't matter how long or for how little they fought there, they both fought at those weights at some point in their careers. It's mythical we aren't talking real life so there's obviously not going to be obstructions like legal and contractual issues. ----- It ain't even boxing science the way you scripted the match. In boxing there's always obstacles to making fights which is why a slew of great fights never got made. You chose to ignore the career timelines of what is practical which is what putting pen to contract is all about, the first step in making a promoter's big match. English comprehension also helps. I gave the best versions of Duran and Manny which are also their biggest promotional years. I'll let you fightem on your playstations and give us the 100% guaranteed definitive results. In the real world which is where results are posted, flip a coin a dozen times and that's it. Yes but we aren't talking about the real world! It's purely fantasy. Timelines, obstacles etc don't matter one bit because it's pure fantasy. You're right, there is always obstacles, but that's when we're talking real life. A match that you make up on the spot in your head can be made without obstacles and without other crap getting in the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonRingRules Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Re: Roberto Duran vs Manny Pacquiao Yes but we aren't talking about the real world! It's purely fantasy. Timelines, obstacles etc don't matter one bit because it's pure fantasy. You're right, there is always obstacles, but that's when we're talking real life. A match that you make up on the spot in your head can be made without obstacles and without other crap getting in the way. ----- Oh, pure schoolboy fantasy is it? Great, I whip the bunch while eating a leisurely lunch and then KTFO of prime Ali and end of story. I love it, it's so me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallen Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Londonringrules,man what is your problem its a fantasy fight which members just give a opinion who they think would win the contest.As Razz stated its not rocket science,but its a bit of fun which gets plenty of hits so members seem to like the format.Easy solution Londonringrules,if you dont agree with the format on Fantasy Fights dont bother with it and go on the other great segments on the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londoner Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Tough one. I think Duran at his best batters Pacquiao at his best. Duran is already an elite top 10 of all time but Pacquiao is no slouch either. I think Duran had the lot: Punch, skill, aggression... But then so does Pacquiao. Both also have pretty decent chins. I think at 135lbs Duran wins 9 times out of 10 whereas from 140lbs and above i think it might be 50-50 as Pacquiao seems to have got better as time has gone on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonRingRules Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Londonringrules,man what is your problem its a fantasy fight which members just give a opinion who they think would win the contest.As Razz stated its not rocket science,but its a bit of fun which gets plenty of hits so members seem to like the format.Easy solution Londonringrules,if you dont agree with the format on Fantasy Fights dont bother with it and go on the other great segments on the forum. ----- What format? I'm here to talk quality boxing and point out the fight was made under poor ring conditions that don't reflect the best attributes each has for a superfight. Quality boxing seems to be a threat to you, but if it's just hits you want, welcome to check out my all time article, Where's Waldo or the Next American Heavyweight Champ. Since Razz is stuck on 135/140, then everything favors Manny who has been fighting as a full welter since his superfeather days and has an extra day to recuperate from the weighin. Duran will be the smaller man fighting in the 15 round, same weighin day era against the best 12rd fighter in history, not a fair fight. Duran gives up too many advantages as the way the fight is scripted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheelchair Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Well how about Manny has his arms amputated and Duran is given a rocket launcher, would that make it fairer? It's a fantasy matchup FFS. angry// And since when were superfights fair anyway. Each time Hagler fought a superfight for example, he was the genuine middle. Duran, Hearns and Leonard all had to move up to HIS weightclass, but you didn't hear them moaning did you? If this fantasy section of the forum offends your quaint sense of pomposity and self-righteousness then for crying out loud DON'T READ IT! Cretin. finger// Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAZZ-MCFC Posted September 12, 2011 Author Share Posted September 12, 2011 Well how about Manny has his arms amputated and Duran is given a rocket launcher, would that make it fairer? mlol/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edsel77x Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 honestly, its all good to hear about all the intangibles. I'm over-analytical londonringrules and my wife hates it and reacts like wheelchair, but hey who at the end of the day, its nothing to lose sleep over. IT REALLY IS FUN HEARING ALL SIDES DAMN SHIFT (shat) key keeps getting suck!!!!!! I think it would be a great war and the winner would win by knockout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBride Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Fact. Even when he fought at 135 Roberto would often weigh over 200 lbs between fights ( Ricky Fuckin Hatton eat your heart out, or whatever else you can get down your throat ) so this garbage by London Ring Rules about Pakow being the heavier man in the ring is pure bollox. Sure he lost to De Jesus in one of their 3 fights, but for sure he wouldn't get dropped in his prime by jabs, and neither would he get KTFO by bugs like Torrecampo, or Singsurat, much less get beaten by a semi shot fighter like Morales was at the time. Anyone who saw how clumsy, and amatuerish JMM recently made Pakow look yet doesn't think Duran could do the same, if not worse, is not living in the real world. One is a legend through his in ring ability, the other fuckin idiot is a legend through modern media. No comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rathika Posted April 9, 2012 Share Posted April 9, 2012 really nice.......................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James McKnight83 Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Re: Roberto Duran vs Manny Pacquiao Got to go with Duran. Just an entirely different beast. Manny's speed and fast hands would have posed Duran some problems though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedarkdragon11 Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Re: Roberto Duran vs Manny Pacquiao It will be a close fight but I think Duran will win since that guy can fight a full 15 rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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