The_budweiser Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 I was going to hold back on this until I finish my article, before doing a thread. But, it has hit Facebook. --- The Malta Boxing Association (MBA) had British unlicensed boxers fight Maltese unlicensed boxers without any medicals or MRI scans on there professional events. This has happened at 3 events that we are aware of. EBU's official record keeper Boxrec continues to list the unlicensed fighters as professional fighters, even after they have been supplied with evidence. The European Boxing Union (EBU) have failed to act on the above. A lot of information has been sent to boxing websites and the newspapers. I am sure this isn't the last we have heard of this. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaconfan Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Re: Boxing Scandal Any guy who steps in the ring, WANTS to fight. Who can tell them they cannot? They know the risks, they choose to take them. Only someone who is pysically or mentally challenged should not be allowed to fight. Even convicted killers could be allowed to fight, as long as their opponent knew of this and as long as there were security and medical services on hand. Julian Jackson was told he was not fit to fight, yet he KO'd a guy who had never been KO'd and won the world title into the bargain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_budweiser Posted February 19, 2016 Author Share Posted February 19, 2016 Re: Boxing Scandal Any guy who steps in the ring, WANTS to fight. Who can tell them they cannot? They know the risks, they choose to take them. I think you are missing the point chaconfan. These fighters have no licence or medicals to allow them to fight on professional shows, yet, they are being passed off to the paying public as professional boxers. And there is a serious risk to their health. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaconfan Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Re: Boxing Scandal I think you are missing the point chaconfan. These fighters have no licence or medicals to allow them to fight on professional shows, yet, they are being passed off to the paying public as professional boxers. And there is a serious risk to their health. I was aware of the point re health, but not of the point that they were being passed off to the public as pro fighters. Having said that, a lot of these guys are as good as pro fighters or have been pro fighters, but were banned. To be perfectly honest, I am fairly sure that the public just want to see a fight, regardless of being licenced or not. Ken Buchanan became an unlicenced fighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cableaddict Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 (edited) Re: Boxing Scandal I don't care about the "lying to the public" angle at all. There are probably a ton of LICENSED boxers who are far worse than these guys. You know, the Martin Stenskies of the world. (The kind of guys Anthony Joshua has built his career on. :whistle: ) However, the health risks are quite serious. I'm kind of shocked that any governing body would allow this, as it opens them up to incredible financial risk from potential lawsuits. Edited February 19, 2016 by Cableaddict Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSMFC64 Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Re: Boxing Scandal Have to agree with you Bud this is a serious accident waiting to happen-The EBU even recognise this mob unlike the MBC who are far from perfect but at least (according to boxers who fight under them) have brain scans/medicals ect. Rio (Gianluca Di Caro) has been very outspoken against the MBA/EBU and from reading some articals he may well have a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_budweiser Posted February 20, 2016 Author Share Posted February 20, 2016 Re: Boxing Scandal Have to agree with you Bud this is a serious accident waiting to happen-The EBU even recognise this mob unlike the MBC who are far from perfect but at least (according to boxers who fight under them) have brain scans/medicals ect. Rio (Gianluca Di Caro) has been very outspoken against the MBA/EBU and from reading some articals he may well have a point. He sent me and the press all the back and forth emails. Very interesting.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luizbr Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Re: Boxing Scandal Wow, that's horrible. Hope people will do something about it, this isn't the first time this happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSMFC64 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Re: Boxing Scandal THIS IS A DISGRACE - PLEASE READ AND SHARE AS WIDELY AS POSSIBLE EBU Member allows British and Maltese White Collar Boxers to fight as Pro without proper Medicals and MRI Scans - yet the disgraced EBU fail to act. I hadn't intended to make this public but as the EBU have failed to take any action this matter needs to get the attention of everyone on pro boxing - below is the first e.mail of a series that includes correspondence with the WBC - for reference the BBBofC are aware also as they were CC'd in the e.mails - please read and respond - If you were one of those listed as pro and fighting on any MBA show please either contact myself or Journalists Matt Hamilton, Elliot Foster James Tonks Ringnews Twentyfour or Matt Christie at Boxing News as we already have a number of those that took part verify the situation and it would be useful to have everyone. Read and please post your comments E.mail sent 2nd February, also 9th Feb below that - I will publish subsequent ones in the comments section shortly Dear John, Marina and Enza I wrote to yourselves previously about the European Boxing Union (EBU) member Malta Boxing Association (MBA)having British unlicensed "White Collar" and "Semi-Pro" boxers boxing as professional at MBA events in Malta, even though they do not have proper professional Boxing standard medicals or MRI scans. I am sorry to say that no action has been taken by either BoxRec, who have continued to list these as pro bouts or the EBU, who should have suspended or revoked the MBA membership for their actions and bringing the sport into disrepute. On the 22nd January in St Julians in Malta - http://boxrec.com/show/727690 - once again the MBA have listed on boxrec a number of UK boxers as debuts - as well as Kerstin Brown from Malta and others that do not have proper medicals or MRI scans. I request that action be taken by both Boxrec and the EBU, especially since I have been informed that today one of the boxers that fought has posted on Twitter about the disgraceful actions of the MBA, who have told him, even though he does not have professional standard medicals and Brain Scans that he can no longer box White Collar as he is now a professional. This particularly irks myself as people that responded to this post are believing that it is the Malta Boxing Commission NOT the Malta Boxing Association as we are both the oldest and best known Maltese professional boxing organisation As such I would request that both BoxRec and the EBU request proof of medicals and MRIs for all the boxers listed on boxrec as pro for this event http://boxrec.com/show/727690, as well as those that took part on the previous event - http://boxrec.com/show/724148 - that I contacted you about immediately and take the appropriate disciplinary action (EBU) and remove all bouts where the boxers do not have the required professional level medicals and MRI scans from Boxrec. For reference in addition to the aforementioned twitter posts, I also have another white collar promoter message me stating the offer he had been made to have his boxers fight on the show as 'Pro' but not needing medicals or MRI as well as had the semi-pro promoter that supplied some of the boxers call me today as not only had they listed his fighters as pro, when they are not, the promoter of that event had not paid the full agreed fees, leaving each boxer out of pocket - for reference they were paying just €200 per fighter. As I have written evidence of the statements I have made, as well as the very public twitter comments that have been made by the boxer, I sincerely hope that some action is taken or I will have no option but to put this into the public domain, which I am sure the EBU would not wish especially following the BDB doping debacle. I would appreciate a reply and notification of your intended action within seven days, which provides enough time for the MBA to supply the medicals and MRIs for those that have them, or not as the case will prove, or I will have no option but to go public with this information and the evidence to back it up. Yours sincerely Gianluca Di Caro Vice President Malta Boxing Commission ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Re previous e.mail regarding Non medicaled boxers on Malta Boxing Association 22nd Jan event From: admin@maltaboxingcommission.com Date: Tue, February 9, 2016 3:24 pm To: [email protected] [email protected] Cc: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Enza, Bob, Marina and John Regarding my previous e.mail regarding the event sanctioned by European Boxing Union (EBU) member Malta Boxing Association (MBA) on January 22ndwthis year and the fact that a number of those taking part and listed on EBU official record keepers website BoxRec not having the required professional boxing standard medicals and MRI scans. As it is clear that no action has been taken by the EBU on this matter as the boxers are still listed on Boxrec as of today I have been in discussion with a number of journalists from both British and Maltese Newspapers, including the Times of London, The Sun, The Daily Mirror, The Independent, The Guardian and the Times of Malta and due to their keen interest have agreed to provide them and a well known freelance boxing journalist all of the evidence on this matter. As such should I fail to receive notification by return that action by the EBU, such as suspension of the Malta Boxing Association for endangering of boxers as well as bringing the sport of boxing into disrepute, has been undertaken and the event results removed from Boxrec for this and the previous event, I shall furnish all with the aforementioned evidence as well as the fact that during the event one of the competitors had an epileptic fit (who was assisted by our own surgeon general who was acting as cuts man for Scott Dixon and not the events doctor who was only a trainee)to the media that I have mentioned I shall also provide the press information that two boxers, one that was debuting and another with just one listed 'pro' fight (but neither with required pro level medicals and MRI) fought an eight round contest for the lightly regarded WBUv Inter-Continental title http://www.independent.com.mt/…/Malta-s-Duncan-Calleja-wins… - please also see Boxrec results listing for the event http://boxrec.com/show/727690 I am sure that the EBU would not be keen to have further bad press, following the BDB doping debacle. Please do not take my words lightly, as following the disgraceful words of Peter Stucki at the EBU meeting last year in Paris, where he stated that if a boxing organisation is not an EBU member they are pirate organisations etc, which I have digitally recorded and the disgraceful acts by the EBU members, especially the BBBofC and BUI, but also others, against ourselves I have no intention of allowing any wrong doing by the EBU and their members not to be exposed in the media the world over. Yours sincerely Gianluca Di Caro Vice President Malta Boxing Commission For reference the IBO, IBF, WBO, WBA, WBC, BBBofC and the KMS in Malta and others were cc'd in these e.mails ------- Rio has been busy on facebook https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1046143165448349 Interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One more round Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Re: Boxing Scandal Disgraceful behavior by both the MBA and the EBU. Interesting to see what comes of it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxingforlife Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Re: Boxing Scandal THIS IS A DISGRACE - PLEASE READ AND SHARE AS WIDELY AS POSSIBLE EBU Member allows British and Maltese White Collar Boxers to fight as Pro without proper Medicals and MRI Scans - yet the disgraced EBU fail to act. I hadn't intended to make this public but as the EBU have failed to take any action this matter needs to get the attention of everyone on pro boxing - below is the first e.mail of a series that includes correspondence with the WBC - for reference the BBBofC are aware also as they were CC'd in the e.mails - please read and respond - If you were one of those listed as pro and fighting on any MBA show please either contact myself or Journalists Matt Hamilton, Elliot Foster James Tonks Ringnews Twentyfour or Matt Christie at Boxing News as we already have a number of those that took part verify the situation and it would be useful to have everyone. Read and please post your comments E.mail sent 2nd February, also 9th Feb below that - I will publish subsequent ones in the comments section shortly Dear John, Marina and Enza I wrote to yourselves previously about the European Boxing Union (EBU) member Malta Boxing Association (MBA)having British unlicensed "White Collar" and "Semi-Pro" boxers boxing as professional at MBA events in Malta, even though they do not have proper professional Boxing standard medicals or MRI scans. I am sorry to say that no action has been taken by either BoxRec, who have continued to list these as pro bouts or the EBU, who should have suspended or revoked the MBA membership for their actions and bringing the sport into disrepute. On the 22nd January in St Julians in Malta - http://boxrec.com/show/727690 - once again the MBA have listed on boxrec a number of UK boxers as debuts - as well as Kerstin Brown from Malta and others that do not have proper medicals or MRI scans. I request that action be taken by both Boxrec and the EBU, especially since I have been informed that today one of the boxers that fought has posted on Twitter about the disgraceful actions of the MBA, who have told him, even though he does not have professional standard medicals and Brain Scans that he can no longer box White Collar as he is now a professional. This particularly irks myself as people that responded to this post are believing that it is the Malta Boxing Commission NOT the Malta Boxing Association as we are both the oldest and best known Maltese professional boxing organisation As such I would request that both BoxRec and the EBU request proof of medicals and MRIs for all the boxers listed on boxrec as pro for this event http://boxrec.com/show/727690, as well as those that took part on the previous event - http://boxrec.com/show/724148 - that I contacted you about immediately and take the appropriate disciplinary action (EBU) and remove all bouts where the boxers do not have the required professional level medicals and MRI scans from Boxrec. For reference in addition to the aforementioned twitter posts, I also have another white collar promoter message me stating the offer he had been made to have his boxers fight on the show as 'Pro' but not needing medicals or MRI as well as had the semi-pro promoter that supplied some of the boxers call me today as not only had they listed his fighters as pro, when they are not, the promoter of that event had not paid the full agreed fees, leaving each boxer out of pocket - for reference they were paying just €200 per fighter. As I have written evidence of the statements I have made, as well as the very public twitter comments that have been made by the boxer, I sincerely hope that some action is taken or I will have no option but to put this into the public domain, which I am sure the EBU would not wish especially following the BDB doping debacle. I would appreciate a reply and notification of your intended action within seven days, which provides enough time for the MBA to supply the medicals and MRIs for those that have them, or not as the case will prove, or I will have no option but to go public with this information and the evidence to back it up. Yours sincerely Gianluca Di Caro Vice President Malta Boxing Commission ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Re previous e.mail regarding Non medicaled boxers on Malta Boxing Association 22nd Jan event From: admin@maltaboxingcommission.com Date: Tue, February 9, 2016 3:24 pm To: [email protected] [email protected] Cc: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear Enza, Bob, Marina and John Regarding my previous e.mail regarding the event sanctioned by European Boxing Union (EBU) member Malta Boxing Association (MBA) on January 22ndwthis year and the fact that a number of those taking part and listed on EBU official record keepers website BoxRec not having the required professional boxing standard medicals and MRI scans. As it is clear that no action has been taken by the EBU on this matter as the boxers are still listed on Boxrec as of today I have been in discussion with a number of journalists from both British and Maltese Newspapers, including the Times of London, The Sun, The Daily Mirror, The Independent, The Guardian and the Times of Malta and due to their keen interest have agreed to provide them and a well known freelance boxing journalist all of the evidence on this matter. As such should I fail to receive notification by return that action by the EBU, such as suspension of the Malta Boxing Association for endangering of boxers as well as bringing the sport of boxing into disrepute, has been undertaken and the event results removed from Boxrec for this and the previous event, I shall furnish all with the aforementioned evidence as well as the fact that during the event one of the competitors had an epileptic fit (who was assisted by our own surgeon general who was acting as cuts man for Scott Dixon and not the events doctor who was only a trainee)to the media that I have mentioned I shall also provide the press information that two boxers, one that was debuting and another with just one listed 'pro' fight (but neither with required pro level medicals and MRI) fought an eight round contest for the lightly regarded WBUv Inter-Continental title http://www.independent.com.mt/…/Malta-s-Duncan-Calleja-wins… - please also see Boxrec results listing for the event http://boxrec.com/show/727690 I am sure that the EBU would not be keen to have further bad press, following the BDB doping debacle. Please do not take my words lightly, as following the disgraceful words of Peter Stucki at the EBU meeting last year in Paris, where he stated that if a boxing organisation is not an EBU member they are pirate organisations etc, which I have digitally recorded and the disgraceful acts by the EBU members, especially the BBBofC and BUI, but also others, against ourselves I have no intention of allowing any wrong doing by the EBU and their members not to be exposed in the media the world over. Yours sincerely Gianluca Di Caro Vice President Malta Boxing Commission For reference the IBO, IBF, WBO, WBA, WBC, BBBofC and the KMS in Malta and others were cc'd in these e.mails ------- Rio has been busy on facebook https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1046143165448349 Interesting This is the exact post I saw in Facebook. Every sport gets ruined by being tempted for short term commercial gains. Both EBU and MBA should have some shame after this incident. These are the type of news, we wish every kind of press focuses on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Re: Boxing Scandal If am allowed to travel with a train without the ticket, then what's the essence of the ticket, so if unlicensed boxers are allowed to take a bout, then why introduce the license in the first place? It's a process, in fact it has been, under no circumstances should an unlicense boxer be allowed to fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Re: Boxing Scandal Interesting indeed, for EBU Member to allow British and Maltese White Collar Boxers to fight as Pro without proper Medicals and MRI Scans - yet the disgraced EBU fail to act. It's a disgrace, I guess they should start answering this allegations right away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ama Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Re: Boxing Scandal Gatti's and Corrales' deaths are tragic but aren't boxing related.They are boxers who met untimely ends by means that aren't connected.If another boxer or manager or trainer was suspected of their deaths,then I could say it's a scandal but it's currently more a tragedy than scandal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ama Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Re: Boxing Scandal If am allowed to travel with a train without the ticket, then what's the essence of the ticket, so if unlicensed boxers are allowed to take a bout, then why introduce the license in the first place? It's a process, in fact it has been, under no circumstances should an unlicense boxer be allowed to fight.Boxing is a good, very entertaining and nice sport if the concern parties have done it in a fair play. Both fighter must maintain their just and fine play with the sport. sThey can show thair very best and very highly and effective styles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ama Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Re: Boxing Scandal Interesting indeed, for EBU Member to allow British and Maltese White Collar Boxers to fight as Pro without proper Medicals and MRI Scans - yet the disgraced EBU fail to act. It's a disgrace, I guess they should start answering this allegations right awayI remember watching Margarito vs. Cotto 1 and when Cotto started bleeding through his nose the way he did, I thought "Wow Margarito is a heavy hitter." . Then seeing the results of MvC2, I think every victory Margarito has is questionable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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