smokin Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 This thread is about boxing opinions that you have that could be unpopular or go against the norm one of mine is that Ken Buchanan is definitely overrated and is certainly not the best lightweight to come from Britain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WelshDevilRob Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Mine would be that Henry Cooper was overrated due to one punch. He was never World Class. Possessed a weak chin. Sorry Henry. Also, I don't rate Roberto Duran as high as alot of people do. Great Lightweight, no doubt. But his record overall has plenty of misses on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 I think that Sonny Liston is badly treated by all those who write their rank all-time heavyweight..it's my personal opinion but only Joe Louis and Muhammad Ali are worthy to stay before with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallen Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 My pet hate is the younger generation of fans,who tend to think fighters of today are far superior than the boxers of the 80s and before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooklynbrawler Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 My one would be that Andre Ward isn't really a great boxer at all. The general consensus have him as a P4P contender, but as far as I'm concerned, he was given an easy ride in the Super 6 and never did anything of note before or since. He fouls a lot and roughs up opponents and has fought just once outside of his home STATE, let alone, country. Everyone knows Froch is a limited fighter and he was hanging on for dear life towards the end of their bout. I just don't rate the guy at all, but he will be carefully matched for a few years before someone eventually catches up with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokin Posted February 28, 2012 Author Share Posted February 28, 2012 Mine would be that Henry Cooper was overrated due to one punch. He was never World Class. Possessed a weak chin. Sorry Henry. Also, I don't rate Roberto Duran as high as alot of people do. Great Lightweight, no doubt. But his record overall has plenty of misses on it. yeah i agree with you on cooper he was a good level european heavy with bad skin and not the sort of chin tthat his manager wanted to try against liston but for me he did have pretty good power but he is definately talked up due to that one punch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokin Posted February 28, 2012 Author Share Posted February 28, 2012 My one would be that Andre Ward isn't really a great boxer at all. The general consensus have him as a P4P contender, but as far as I'm concerned, he was given an easy ride in the Super 6 and never did anything of note before or since. He fouls a lot and roughs up opponents and has fought just once outside of his home STATE, let alone, country. Everyone knows Froch is a limited fighter and he was hanging on for dear life towards the end of their bout. I just don't rate the guy at all, but he will be carefully matched for a few years before someone eventually catches up with him. he looks quite good to me but it is way to early to talk about him being a top p4p fighter and your points about where he has fought are spot on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokin Posted February 28, 2012 Author Share Posted February 28, 2012 My pet hate is the younger generation of fans,who tend to think fighters of today are far superior than the boxers of the 80s and before. bravo// Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokin Posted February 28, 2012 Author Share Posted February 28, 2012 I think that Sonny Liston is badly treated by all those who write their rank all-time heavyweight..it's my personal opinion but only Joe Louis and Muhammad Ali are worthy to stay before with him not really a great fan of liston but not for his fighting abilities he was a monster with power and a top jab .It's that i just dont buy the second ali fight being on the level which does bother me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yiddle Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 I got loads but the first one that pop's into my mind is that Wlad would get beat by Frazier and Ali. Not that out of the normal i know but this might be, Wlad causes Ali a lot more problems than he does Frazier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
telboy66 Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 My one big hate is the over use of the word" Great" with regards to boxers, It seems todays boxers only have to win 15/20 fights to get this label hung on them, few of todays boxers would have lived with the really true greats of yesteryear but are put on this "Great" pedestal by fans that have no real knowledge of any boxer beyond Tyson yet sing the praises of their 20/0 one hit wonder as though he were a god Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yiddle Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Here's another of mine in a close fight Hagler was always going to lose by decision to Leonard it suited the media the promoters and the bookies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Pac v Marquez III wasn't a robbery It was a close fight that had too many close rounds to be a robbery either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooklynbrawler Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Pac v Marquez III wasn't a robbery It was a close fight that had too many close rounds to be a robbery either way. I agree with that actually. If you stand back and look at the fight as a whole, then it's fair to say that JMM had the edge, but I personally had it scored a draw. A robbery is a wide UD reversed in another fighters favour. You see far worse decisions that giving Manny the win in that fight, every single month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davemurphy Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Pac v Marquez III wasn't a robbery It was a close fight that had too many close rounds to be a robbery either way. Scott- When a guy loses SEVERAL close decisions then the responsibility lies with him to take it out of the judges hands either by stoppage or making it overwhelmingly convincing. JMM's had a career full of dropping some close ones, and while I thought he won the fight convincingly, he needs to drop the act about being upset. It once again made him a "martyr" and probably did almost as much good as a win would've. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Couldn't agree more with you, same sort of thing applies to Glen Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokin Posted March 23, 2012 Author Share Posted March 23, 2012 ron lyle would win at least one fight in a 3 fight seriers against vitali klit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yiddle Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 Leonard did duck Pryor but probably because the fight was for little reward compared to the risk involved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 I confess I can't place either fighter in proper context, but I can't see any reason for Leonard to worry about Pryor - he was a smaller fighter than Leonard and he doesn;t have a string of astounding wins on his record- Arguello is a HOF name of course, but Arguello was fighting at an unfamiliar weight. So is Pryor not a little overated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yiddle Posted April 7, 2012 Share Posted April 7, 2012 he may be overrated its all opinion but i think that if the money had been in the fight then leonard would of agreed to the fight but the risk for me was quite big compared to probable money in the pot for the fight . after all after the 2nd duran fight leonard took a low risk fight with bonds and after the hearns fight he took on a very low risk fight against finch . either date would of been an excellent time for a pryor fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokin Posted April 23, 2012 Author Share Posted April 23, 2012 leonard did use his brain when it came to when to fight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecto55 Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Mine is that if Don King had have risked Mike Tyson again Fransisco Diamani when Tyson was on the skids, the world would have had an Italian undisputed Worlds heavyweight champion- and all that before the release of Rocky V. Although, replace that Mercer uppercut with one of Tyson's double uppercuts....OUCH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokin Posted May 18, 2012 Author Share Posted May 18, 2012 another one of mine is that steve collins is overrated and his wins over benn really mean nothing as benn was just not the same at that point in his career also his reluctance to fight calzaghe goes against him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooklynbrawler Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 Here's a contentious one: Andre Ward really isn't a great boxer. When I see him being mentioned as #3 P4P (and higher in some cases), I really have to ask what he has done both in terms of opponents and performances to warrant this? The Kessler fight was a big win, but lets face it, the amount of fouls Ward got away with in that bout was incredible. He basically threw a few punches and then smothered Kessler. There was more wrestling than boxing and Kessler was undone by a serious eye injury. Plenty of fighters win fights that way, Hopkins being a prime example, but it doesn't make them a good boxer. Then he was meant to fight "away" (He was the only American contender never scheduled to face a European away from home), but after several pullouts, he was granted a bout against Bika OUTSIDE of the tournament altogether...meaning he got an automatic points award to take him into the next round of the Super 6, regardless of what happened there. Prior to that, he had to face Green, who is a nonentity in terms of the Super Middleweight division. Right after Dirrell and Froch had completely exposed Abraham, he was then given a "by" after defaulting to the top of the Super 6 rankings, by virtue of the points awarded for a non-tournament bout to take on the lowest placed guy who made it to the knockout stages... Abraham's confidence was at an all-time low, and for an apparently "supremely talented boxer" he made more of a meal of it than Froch did. ...And then he beat Froch. A guy who 3 years ago, was barely regarded, but after a string of high-profile bouts, had managed to propel himself to the final. A guy with heart, a decent dig (which seemed to go as soon as he stepped up the class of opposition) but who is slow, easy to hit and cumbersome. Froch has been outboxed by several fighters. It's no surprise that Ward managed it. But even then, he was hanging on for dear life in the final 2 rounds, and if it had to go on much longer, I suspect Froch would have caught up with him. I really don't rate the guy.... He fouls too much, he spoils too much, he does have great speed and reflexes to be fair to him, but again, one bout outside of his home state, after being in a competition which was designed to put you up against it on the road?! ...Nah, the guy has had too many breaks for it to be coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamasadlittleboy Posted May 18, 2012 Share Posted May 18, 2012 The referee in the Williams/Airich fight isn't the worst ever... ...The guy who did Norwood v Gainer is worse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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