The_budweiser Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Anthony Joshua would be outwitted by David Haye, says trainer Don Charles (Chisora's trainer) Anthony Joshua has power beyond measure but would struggle against David Haye, says Dereck Chisora's trainer Don Charles. The IBF world heavyweight champion (17-0-KO17) has risen to the top of the sport with relative serenity but Charles, who trained Joshua when his amateur career was in its infancy, believes the ringcraft of Haye (28-2-KO26) would be decisive if the Londoners clashed today. Charles told Sky Sports: "I had the privilege of training Anthony at a very early stage in his career, as an amateur, and his power is immeasurable. It's truly immeasurable. "Joshua is a very determined young man, he's learned to have that patience. Joshua is top of the tree, because he's the current world champion. "That build is not that of a fighter, but apart from Dillian Whyte he hasn't been in a gruelling fight. You can't take that power, but you can nullify it. "He is better than Tyson Fury. However, right now if he was to fight Haye, I'd pick David Haye, if you were to put them in the ring together tomorrow. Haye is very clever. His ring IQ is very high. The trick is to get someone to miss. "Haye is a master at making people miss. He was making Klitschko miss miserably. He lost because he was too negative. Had he jumped on Wladimir from round six he'd have beaten him." Joshua is yet to name an opponent for the second defence of his crown having ground down maiden challenger Dominic Breazeale for a seventh-round stoppage in June. Source: Sky Sports Podcast - http://stitched-files.bwh9c8255b4.netdna-cdn.com/stitchv3/skysportstoe2toe/ringsidetoe2toe-24thaugust/hReiikN5IglB1lTT_Inptw.mp3?ci=f2ed0b1a-953f-4fe7-9bc8-4dace9563d17&st=dQdhM58M2FYlbJi4NITPKQ&e=1472219694 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonRingRules Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Re: Is Haye too clever for Joshua? --- Not to diminish Mr Charles, but Josh has proven much more than Mr Pinkie the last few years. Also sounds bitter over Fury KTFO of Chisora. There's bigger fish to fry than the domestic level Pinkie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavpowell Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Re: Is Haye too clever for Joshua? --- Not to diminish Mr Charles, but Josh has proven much more than Mr Pinkie the last few years. Also sounds bitter over Fury KTFO of Chisora. There's bigger fish to fry than the domestic level Pinkie. What on Earth are you talking about? Haye battered Chisora into submission inside 5 rounds; Fury did it in 10. Yes, Haye achieved relatively little at heavyweight, but at the moment, Joshua's done no more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Ortega Nieto Posted September 1, 2016 Share Posted September 1, 2016 Re: Is Haye too clever for Joshua? This fight would be spectacular. I have much sympathy for Haye and I think that is still able to beat anyone. What it should do is burcarse that requires a fight before fighting with Joshua, his last two opponents did not withstand even a strong blow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strikehearts Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 Re: Is Haye too clever for Joshua? not in the least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bear Hugger Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 Re: Is Haye too clever for Joshua? If the fight was to happen now, I think Haye would win. Joshua is still a work in progress and Haye knows this, that's why he's pushing for the fight sooner rather than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonRingRules Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 Re: Is Haye too clever for Joshua? --- Pinkie is only pushing to make money and will price himself out of the fight. He's comfortable at his current low level yakking smack while not fighting anyone with a pulse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cableaddict Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 Re: Is Haye too clever for Joshua? It does seem like he's up to his old tricks. Hoping to just TALK himself into a big payday he hasn't earned. As I've said before, Haye's problem is that, by not earning it (and completely blowing any momentum he might have had, with those last two "fights") he has almost no chance of getting that chance. AJ would be insane to go anywhere near him. Tyson Fury will be tied up with that whole Euro-circus for some time to come. Wilder is out now, and will face either Povetkin or (I'm laughing as I type this) Stiverne once Wilder heals. Ortiz has a different path. Parker is looking to fight AJ ....... Haye dug his own grave. Too bad, he might actually have still been a force. Oh well. "Back to the jungle, young man! " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cableaddict Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 Re: Is Haye too clever for Joshua? What on Earth are you talking about? Haye battered Chisora into submission inside 5 rounds; Fury did it in 10. Yes, Haye achieved relatively little at heavyweight, but at the moment, Joshua's done no more. Yep, and Chisora was reasonably in shape & motivated for that fight. It was Haye's best performance at HW, by far, and gave us a taste of what might have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonRingRules Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 Re: Is Haye too clever for Joshua? --- Pinkie needed a well larded timekeeper to save him with an early bell after Chisora hurt him, so let's not make out like that was some legit legacy fight for him. If he had anything left, we would have seen him step up for once in his heavyweight career. Instead he's part of the WBA sham of smoke and mirrors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pittbox Posted September 3, 2016 Share Posted September 3, 2016 Re: Is Haye too clever for Joshua? He may be "too clever", but what's imprtant is the fact that he probably would fight like against Wlad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GianMan Posted September 11, 2016 Share Posted September 11, 2016 Re: Is Haye too clever for Joshua? Haye ofcourse has way more experience, i think he still has enough athletic ability to,, i can see him knockiing out Joshua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cableaddict Posted September 12, 2016 Share Posted September 12, 2016 Re: Is Haye too clever for Joshua? It's very hard to say, because Joshua finally appears to be improving. In his last fight, he looked a little bit looser. More fluid. Plus like @Pittbox said: Haye might be afraid of Joshua's power, and play it way too safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeboxing Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Re: Is Haye too clever for Joshua? Haye is too scared to fight him . He would run even if he would get in the ring. Joshua ud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cableaddict Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Re: Is Haye too clever for Joshua? I'd like to see Haye bring excitement back to the CW division ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ton Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Re: Is Haye too clever for Joshua? I'd like to see Haye bring excitement back to the CW division ! He can hardly be arsed to fight as it is these days, never mind putting in the crazy effort it takes him to get under the heavyweight limit. Not a chance he'd go back to CW. He wants money and status, and you get that at heavyweight, not cruiser. Of course he has to actually fight someone, anyone, in order to get to that standing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sitoman333 Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Re: Is Haye too clever for Joshua? Haye can't beat Joshua in this world. AL is stronger, younger and better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nymb242 Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Re: Is Haye too clever for Joshua? Haye can't beat Joshua in this world. AL is stronger, younger and better Yep. Haye might be able to have a few good moments, but sooner or later Joshua will pummel him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtpt Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Re: Is Haye too clever for Joshua? in my opinion haye is the better boxer but joshua is as close to a british mike tyson as we are likely to get he would just be too powerful for haye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boxeador Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Re: Is Haye too clever for Joshua? I don´t know if Haye is too clever, but this is not a college career. We´re talking about heavyweights. Haye wouldn´t be able to run and hide for 12 rounds. Sooner or later he would be caught by the much more powerfull Joshua, and we all know about Haye´s weak chin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cableaddict Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 Re: Is Haye too clever for Joshua? Sadly, Haye is too clever for Haye. ================================= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JrGooNer Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 Re: Is Haye too clever for Joshua? It's ok that people keep presuming they can win against Joshua by learning to avoid the power because really it's the speed that's the danger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zute Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 Re: Is Haye too clever for Joshua? Not too sure clever is Haye's best attribute. His best moments, from what I have seen, came from brute strength and power. Which I think Joshua is much better than him in those areas. Joshua does not fight like a green kid who just swings for the fences. The Brezealle fight was great for him because Dominick did not crumble, and Joshua broke him down. I do not see what many others see from Haye, if he does not hurt you early, he has very little to offer IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Kevin Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Re: Is Haye too clever for Joshua? Nah i dont think so , Josha is my man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P Dean Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Re: Is Haye too clever for Joshua? Smart enough to take the fight and fake an injury during training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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